Android is struggling to keep its market share in the United States, as Apple continues to take over in the market. But, despite Android as a whole losing ground, Google Pixel phones are becoming a bigger slice of the US market.
Counterpoint Research reports that, in Q2 2023, US smartphone shipments dropped by 24% year-over-year. That includes both iPhones and Android phones, and virtually every brand saw a drop in shipments. Samsung saw US shipments drop by 37% while Motorola saw a 17% drop. TCL saw the biggest decline at just shy of 70% year-over-year, and even Apple saw a 6% drop.
I use a pixel and I have a hard time justifying a different phone.
Maybe things have changed but the last Samsung I had was an S7 and I didn’t like it. It suffered from bloat and didn’t last all that long. Battery issues and the screen started to lose sensitivity.
I’ve used iphones and they aren’t bad, but I really dislike apple’s app store and effort to control everything on my phone. Also everytime a new phone came out my old phone became next to unusable for a month.
I got a pixel 3 and loved it, now I have a pixel 6 and don’t see changing my phone any time soon or going to a non-pixel phone. They last a long time, they work well with everything and the camera is excellent.
I have a hard time justifying a different phone
A pixel doesn’t have SD card slot or 3.5 mm jack. My Xperia 1V has both. There. Justified.
I mean most consumers don’t care about those 🤷♀️
most consumers have shit taste 🤷♀️
Or those features just aren’t that useful in modern phones…
While I understand the appeal, those are 2 features that I don’t need. Having the option would be nice though.
I think more people should have this kind of view, and less of an all or nothing approach.
I’m looking to switch from Samsung to a non-Google phone, It’s too bad no networks seem to carry the Xperia in Canada. Really don’t want to shell out $2000 up front for a phone.
I’ve used https://shop.fairphone.com/ for a while now, a bit less slick and more expensive, but I’m very satisfied. I already degoogled completely, can’t have a Google phone now :D
What does Fairphone offer for the car infortainment interface, or are you stuck without one?
I don’t own a car, no idea.
I mean, Fairphone runs Android. So the same Android Auto that a Google Pixel would have
That is by Google though. Right? They said their phone is de-googled. So maybe the question isn’t what does Fairphone have, but what does a de-googled Android phone use?
fair enough, my bad
Which OS do you run on it?
Can you explain what you mean by bloat with the s7? I have that and like my phone, just wondering why others don’t.
I remember having an S6 and it come with so many apps preinstalled that you can’t uninstall. There’s the default Google/android apps which is fine because those are the basics. Then Samsung puts a bunch of their own apps on there that basically duplicates a bunch of these and can’t be uninstalled, and then there’s other bloat apps like Facebook, maybe candy crush or some shit, maybe Netflix, that all can’t be uninstalled. The worst offender is Facebook because it was on almost any other phone not running stock android but supposedly had deeper privileges as a “system” app
There’s the default Google/android apps which is fine because those are the basics.
And this is the problem, and it’s absurd that google haven’t been stopped from doing this by any anti-competition regulators. Samsung don’t want google apps on their phones, they have to have them. Samsung make their own, and they’re often better than googles and are far more integrated into the OS.
They don’t have to have them. Mine doesn’t.
They have to from the factory.
No. They don’t.
What Samsung phones come without google apps and google play services installed?
The maddening thing is how much effort Samsung wastes duplicating basic gapps. Their contacts manager, calendar, etc has no real advantages over the Google ones. Just focus on the hardware and overall experience? Stop wasting time reinventing the wheel. Same with their app store. I’ve had an S20 for the last 4 years. Used Samsung since the S2 which I still have. And am looking at a pixel to replace it since my security updates are running out.
The maddening thing is how much effort Samsung wastes duplicating basic gapps. Their contacts manager, calendar, etc has no real advantages over the Google ones.
They do have advantages over the google ones though. One big advantage is that “they’re not google ones”.
Stop wasting time reinventing the wheel. Same with their app store.
A google monopoly should be the last thing anyone wants. You should be wishing more developers would put their apps on the Samsung Store along with any other stores.
Yeah I would never buy a non-Pixel phone now.
They’re right at the top in the battery department, there’s still a little bloat but you can disable things. Maybe 5 garbage games and FB
Still using an S7E to this day as the battery seems basically indestructable…
The one single weak spot? I actually had to replace the glue.
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GrapheneOS is what keeps me from switching from Pixel.
Watch the Louis Rossman video on YouTube about Graphene OS developer.
You should watch it again. He said that GrapheneOS is great, but the Developer isn’t.
One of the Lemmy developers appears to be a militant communist who denies the Uyghur genocide, yet here we are. Quite a few open source developers are insane and trying to avoid software with problematic contributors is an easy path to follow them into madness. It might stop me from donating money or getting heavily involved with development, but it’s not going to stop me from using the software.
I didn’t immediately reformat my ReiserFS partitions when Hans Reiser was arrested for murdering his wife either.
Samsung and major carriers are shooting android in the foot with the bloatware. There are less and less viable android models that aren’t half filled with carrier or manufacturer specific apps that can’t be deleted. The pixel might be a tool of the Google devil but at least it provides the illustration of customization. iPhones are still Iphones. People they phone is pretty much the same butvthe hardware gets slightly better. Combine all that with messaging on Iphones essentially excluding android and ut becomes though to stick with anything but a Pixel or iphone. If I didn’t have lots of Google stuff setup for work I might reconsider iphones, but the pixel really has made my life easier via Google big brother. If work used apple big brother I would switch.
Thanks grapheneOS!
As someone who switched to a Pixel from an iPhone, I’ll tell ya that I think the Pixel is a better phone. The only things iOS has going for it that are better is tap to scroll up, swipe to go forward, and a slightly better camera. Everything else works better on my Pixel.
When you’ve got a miniscule market share it’s much easier to increase it than it is when you have a much larger market share.
This. People that can afford a higher-end phone still can. Everyone else doesn’t have the money right now due to inflation and the income gap widening etc. IPhone and Pixel are the most well-known higher-end phone brands.
Feel free to correct me if it gets more complicated than that.
IPhone and Pixel are the most well-known higher-end phone brands.
iPhone and Galaxy. Pixels aren’t well known (or if they are, they’re not desired), hence the teeny tiny market share.
or if they are, they’re not desired
I couldnt say. They are at least the ones most advertised where i live.
Can’t wait for the entire cell phone market to be a monopoly…
A pixel with custom firmware that removes the Google is my preferred phone choice.
Is there a way to recover the stock OS if you brick it?
I know PCs are completely fail-safe in this regard, since you can always factory reset the machine by booting an installation image of the stock OS, but what about phones?
Google makes it very easy to flash Pixels back to stock through Chrome browser. Recently I was trying to flash /e/os to my Pixel 4a 5G. I bricked it 6 times and still can’t get it to install but I was able to flash back to stock easily. I recommend Graphene OS on the Pixel of you want to start taking back your life and start removing Google from it.
Nice.
Which keyboard do you use? I’ve been trying FlorisBoard (installed from F-Droid) on the stock OS, but the swipe typing is frustratingly inaccurate compared to Gboard.
I tried out FlorisBoard earlier this year and was having the same issues. I am currently using this and it works more or less like gboard but without the G.
Any idea why it isn’t on F-Droid?
I would assume because it was a one off type thing. People liked open board buy wanted swipe typing so it was forked and it was added. The apk is available on github.
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Yes, it’s called a bootloader. It needs to be unlocked before unsigned firmware can be ran on the phone. Unlocking the bootloader is simple and the the guides with show you how to do it.
It would be nice if they didn’t limit the countries you could buy them from.
So true! They can’t be bought where I live.
I got a pixel 7a about 6 months ago. It’s a brilliant phone, once you remove all the google shit / bloat and block all the trackers.
For me, it’s the lack of a replaceable battery and the lack of an SD card slot. Otherwise, it would be a perfect phone to tinker with software-wise with all the custom ROMs that are available for Pixels.
As an iOS user the bloat on android is a huge turnoff for me.
I’d potentially switch to a Samsung if it didn’t have all that stuff pre installed on it.
It may be the second biggest reason I’m sticking with iOS. Of fact, if they got rid of bloat and iMessage was available on Android, I’d jump over in a second.
Well there’s your problem. You’re looking at Samsung phones.
Honestly, they’re one of the worst when it comes to bloatware. They do it because their devices are so popular that they can get away with it. Stick with a Pixel, and you can’t go wrong.
(BTW, what’s with iPhone users’ obsession with iMessage? Google Messages has the same capabilities. Not trying to hate; genuinely curious. If your only experience with texting on Android is with using whatever came with your device, then I understand why you’d prefer Apple’s implementation. That’s the whole appeal of Android: if you don’t like how a component works, you can swap it out.)
To answer the iMessage thing.
I’m from the states but live in a different country. It’s the easiest free way to stay in touch with family and friends.
A number of people have been like “just move to X and if they don’t follow, then forget about them.”
But it’s not really realistic to ask all the people I might contact throughout the year to switch to a new app in case I contact them.
So I truly feel locked in because of that.
Please elaborate further. What’s so special about iMessage that it can be used in other countries, but every single messaging app for Android can’t? Google Messages is free too. Again, not trying to hate. Just trying to understand.
I don’t know anyone who uses google messages and I’m not going to convince the 20 people on my group chat to switch to it since we only catch up a few times per year.
Random acquaintances that I contact a few times per year will also not bother to figure it out as it will just idle 9 months of the year.
It’s just a real roadblock that locked people into the platform.
I use Google Messages to chat with my family who mostly use iMessage. I can see all the reactions and stuff so there aren’t really any compatibility issues. You don’t need an iphone or iMessage to communicate with people on iMessage.
But if I use google messages, it will be sent as an sms. So suddenly I have to pay for every international text and call made.
I’m from the states, but I do not live there at the moment.
It’s much easier for me to keep iOS instead of trying to convert 100 people to use some other messaging app.
Where I live, no one uses iMessage and I have all the major chat apps installed. So it’s not a problem for me, but even my parents struggled to understand what WhatsApp was and they are decently tech savvy.
One thing about iMessage is that you can reply and send messages from all your Apple devices. I know the https://messages.google.com/ but the you need to keep it open on your computer for notification to come. Then there is the Facetime video/audio quality, it’s miles better than Whatsapp, Google Meet or any other video calling app. You can easily share your screens, you can even start a call on iPhone and transfer the call easily to a Mac or iPad seamlessly without even cutting the call. Also the Whatsapp and Google Meet video call quality is like 140p vs 1080p on Facetime. For the average the user who has never used iMessage and Facetime they will never understand what they are missing but for others it’s different case.
You don’t really have to choose. I have WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal and Threema installed all at the same time. I don’t like Apple and since there’s no iMessage for Android (I guess), I can’t use that. But that’s not really my choice, it’s Apple’s choice. I won’t let them lock me down into their ecosystem. Just send SMSes to the people you only have on iMessage and that don’t understand why they are implicitly forcing their opinion on others.
99% of my contacts are iMessage only. It would be cheaper to just buy a second phone than to pay international calling and sms rates.
I have like 10 chat apps installed for local contacts. It’s just US contacts that don’t understand his to get off iMessage.
Can you explain what you mean by bloatware? Do you mean all the apps the phones come installed with, or do you mean something else? Would it be simple to uninstall what you don’t want? Curious bc I have a Samsung phone.
Well here are a few examples.
I don’t like having Facebook and stuff on the phone. If I want the app, ill download it.
Secondly, I do not want multiple calendar apps and browsers on the phone by default.
I don’t need chrome and the Samsung browser.
I also do not think I need to setup a samsung account and a google account and have backups in both places.
I guess it’s just a little overwhelming.
I think this is a big part of why Android is losing popularity but the Pixel is gaining it.
Every manufacturer’s excessive need to fill their phones with as many sponsored apps is getting to a point where people simply don’t buy them anymore.
At least the Pixel sticks to their own Google ecosystem, much like the iPhone and is at least a bit less locked down than others.
But it still installs so many apps I don’t want. I mean iOS allows you to remove almost any app that is preinstalled. Why doesn’t google? I don’t want drive, YTMusic. Their phones have alot of bloat installed.
If Pixel was available in my country in an official capacity that would be the one I would choose. But if I were in the market for an Android, I would go this route for sure. The bloat is more annoying than anything else.
Plus with a Pixel, its just google snooping. With anyone else, it is google and the oem snooping. It would be nice is google pushed using your phone as a desktop more. It could be their way into the desktop space.
I got a Samsung just because I like the phones the best, but otherwise I don’t use any of the pre-installed apps that came with it and disabled/installed all of it.
I honestly think samsung has the best looking phones by far.
If iMessage game to android, I’d switch to a galaxy in a heartbeat, even with the preinstalled stuff. I figure a lot of that can be removed or at least hidden to an extent.
You do know that is up to the OEM right? Just like buying a PC. Of course if you buy a laptop from Wal-Mart from some weird company it’s going to come with a bunch of nonsense on it.
We’re talking about pixel, googles phone. It’s going to come with the standard Google products installed.
Difference is that on a PC m you’re free to remove all of that bloat. On android you can’t, not without fucking around with external tools like ADB.
Thanks for the explanation. That makes sense. I’ve been less aware of that and on recently, after having the phone for a while, have I been deleting many of the pre-installed apps.
My Android phone fucking blows. The one I had prior was great but I lost it. I hate the constant alerts from the apps I can’t delete, I can’t take up close photos anymore without it looking like shit and not focusing, the screen will flip horizontal at random times when it’s got the lock screen option turned on. I don’t want a Google phone, though.
Anyone have opinions on the OnePlus phones?
Look into a Nothing Phone as well as you look.
I’m biased but I like my Pixel 7 Pro quite a bit, though the Pixel 7 is also good.
Doesn’t really matter if it’s a Google phone or not though: They track you the exact same unless you fully rip out all Google Services, which also means ripping out all banking apps and the Play store.
Yeah, that’s a good point. I feel like in terms of tracking you have to unplug completely to be successful. No Square card readers, no social media, no Google anything, not to mention having to vet every service you use which doesn’t feel like it would be worth it.
You can disable alerts on a per app basis
Had a OnePlus for quite a while, battery was pretty bad and heated up like crazy.
Sounds like a defective battery. It happens. Mine works fine.
I’ve been using oneplus phones for years and theyre awesome but I’m not running the oxygenOS that it comes with, I’m running lineageOS or other AOSP type of roms.
Haven’t messed with the stock oxygen (I think it’s called ColorOS now?) in a while, but maybe will check it out. Far as I knew it didn’t really come with any bloat ware?
I have a oneplus. Zero bloatware. The only downside is that the pictures are not as pretty as apple, that’s about it.
oneplus has its own sort of problems
I’ve heard ram management sucks on oneplus 11 with 12 GB ram because they keep killing apps in background to preserve battery(even after using the phone for weeks so it should’ve adapted)you should give grapheneos on pixel a try I’m using it on pixel 7 and all the apps that I use work(mostly, only bank apps have problems, check this user contributed list for verified bank apps https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/
Apps you can’t delete? Gotta be Samsung?
I used to have a Samsung Galaxy S6, I rooted it so I could remove the facebook app… turned out they built a custom circuit in a little chip that permanently breaks NFC if you rooted it. Ridiculous.
I definitely bought a used phone last time. It’s has literally nothing wrong with it and was about $350. New phones are for suckers.
It’s totally a gamble though. The fact that you have to state that there is nothing wrong with it proves that it is a concern.
So it’s good there was nothing wrong, there was a chance you would be stuck with a $350 brick.
Never had a bad experience with Swappa
Thanks for the recommendation.
Nope. Got it from Backmarket. You can just return it, no questions asked.
Although they sent it in an Amazon package, so I guess it was from Amazon. Either way, just select the top quality used one and return it if there’s any issues.
I’m not in the US. There are no returns in the country where I live.
Sounds like the problem is with your country, not used phones. Don’t ever buy something from a place that doesn’t accept returns.
So I shouldn’t buy anything from anywhere again?
For $350 I’d rather buy last years model new when it goes on sale.
Is there an Android phone that supports dual boot? I would like to have that so can use Lineage or something similar and only boot into Google android when I need to use banking app or government ID that requires the safetynet antifeture. This would free me from carrying two phones. But I suppose a locked down bootloader can not support dual boot and an unlocked will not support the safetynet antifeature.
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almost every good android phones have locked bootloaders.
Use Magisk, it bypasses SafetyNet. No need for dual boot https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk
You must install the Universal SafetyNet Fix afterwards https://github.com/kdrag0n/safetynet-fix
