And by haters I just mean folks who think $12B isn’t a low enough cap…

We are not focused on class war between the majority and the 1%, because (by the numbers) they are not the direct threat to the sustainability of the system. They are not where our money has gone to.

The difference between someone with even $12B and Musk level wealth is the difference between a single story house and a 36 story skyscraper. We are focused on tearing down the skyscraper and taxing the house appropriately. To be frank, the wealth of people with less than a billion dollars is not on our radar as a problem. In contrast, we would like their help in tearing down the skyscrapers. That is the point of our community. We are only after the excess wealth of 250 people in the world.

So again, I welcome you 100% to the tent if you are interested, but politically our goals will always remain simple and be augmented by simple arguments. If that means we are not the community for you, I understand. We’re seeking to act rationally in pursuit of a more ethical world, not to demand ethical perfection from the outset. To be honest I personally believe that ethical perfectionism, infighting, and shrinking the tent are major reasons why progressive movements to rectify wealth inequality constantly fail.

Louis Sachar once wrote an entire book based around the concept that “if you want to fight your way upstream in a river, you have to take small steps”. We arent looking at the end of the river, were looking at the first small steps. (Also that book is a great sequel to Holes for anyone who has never heard of it)

Our argument may seem reductive, but anyone can see the simple nature of the problem. The skyscrapers are a head and shoulders above the single story house. Its a simple problem to see, and an exponential one. 6 people in the world owned half of all the money before covid. Now the problem is even worse. I would venture that the richest 250 people in the world probably own 3/4ths of all the money at this point, at least.

Money was made to move. When that money is parked it doesnt change hands. When it doesnt change hands it doesnt get taxed, things dont get bought. When that happens the government doesnt have the resources it needs, and the economy goes out of whack as well. Its a simple problem that ties into literally every issue imaginable just on that basis. Climate change? We could use more resources to fight it. Materials science to solve the plastic problem? More resources to fight it. People cant afford rent? More resources to pay them. People cant afford healthcare? Do you wish we had bridges to drive over that arent 60+ years old? Are you tired of paying for a fishing/hunting license to subsidize conservation? Everything big and small is impacted in some way by the wealth of the richest 250 people not moving, both inside the US and around the world.

The goal of the movement is not to change the system, really. We arent arguing for moving away from capitalism, even if many of us would like to see that. What we are arguing for is fixing the most unsustainable problem within the system we already have, so that we can continue to fight for a better system in general.

A primary goal is to keep the tent as wide as is possible. The point being that we are fighting specifically on this one issue that should, at least hypothetically, bridge the gap between even people who want radical change and people who want to see no change at all. For people who want radical changes, this is the first step in the right direction. For people who want to see no change at all, this is a step that will prevent the collapse of what they dont want to see changed.

For anyone too broke to afford cost of living, this is what will raise them up to afford a base level of comfort. For the 1%ers, this is what will ensure they get to keep the standard of living they already have, as well as make a shit ton of money off the rest of us. If anything I see this community as an incubation for a political bridge party that can actually bring enough people under one tent to affect change, and breakthrough the various distractions that the richest people in the world rely on so we dont come after them. Red vs blue, black vs white, majority vs 1%ers, and so on and so forth. Its all just bullshit to keep us from paying attention to the 0.0001% who have almost all of the money.

This isnt about redistribution of much of anything from the 1% at large. Its about dislodging the 5 trillion dollars that sit largely in the hands of like 10 people. Just that $5T moving would be enough to allow the rest of the 1% unaffected. Thats like 1/3rd of the federal deficit.

The point of targeting that $5T specifically is because its $5T that is virtually guaranteed to never move otherwise. Its just feel good money for the mega billionaires, which even 1%ers cant relate to nor justify.

We are focused on making the system we have, flawed as it is, a base level of sustainable in the interest of everybody. Capitalism with the bumper guards up. Regardless of what they would want to see next.

To analogize: if were all in one car together right now that is a hunk of shit, and we got a flat tire, the goal for us is to fix the tire so we can make it down the road. Some might want to abandon the car right now even if it means chaos. Some might want to fix the flat so we can get a different car. And some might want to fix the flat so we can keep driving the same hunk of shit. But the goal of our community would be centered on fixing the tire, to avoid chaos and to leave our options open for the future

  • ToastedRavioli

If you’re seeing this from all, here is a link from yesterday to contextualize. Please consider subbing if you’re interested

https://midwest.social/post/30028880

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    251 day ago

    We arent arguing for moving away from capitalism

    Why not? Billionaires didn’t appear out of nowhere, they are a product of the system that created them. If you aren’t getting rid of the system then you’re never going to get rid of the billionaires.

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      It has nothing to do with wanting to perpetuate capitalism, and everything to do with preventing massive collapse and ending hardship. The more radical the change argued for, the smaller the tent. We’re focused on big tent motivations, even if many of us are ancap, socialist, etc. We need a simple message that can unite even a socialist and a “fiscal conservative”

      • @blindbunny@lemmy.ml
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        191 day ago

        Its called incrementalism and more people stuffer while we ask for a 15$ minimum wage when the cost of living is 26$

        • @ToastedRavioli@midwest.socialOPM
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          People in my city were asking for, and passed, a $15 minimum wage like 10 years ago. It got struck down by the state government.

          This community advocates for a $35/hr federal minimum wage, as that would bring the minimum wage earner to an appropriate point to afford a cost of living with healthy finances in 2025 in much of the country. The areas it would not meet COL in are those generally with stronger economies and higher wages already, so assumedly many wages would raise in those areas well above $35/hr once that is an enforced bottom line

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            181 day ago

            Missing the forest for the trees. The amount of energy wasted calculating wheather a worker deserves a (vegan) cheese burger when we have enough for a million (vegan) cheese burgers outweights the cost of just giving out free (vegan) cheese burgers.

            incrementalism just causes prolonged suffering.

            • @ToastedRavioli@midwest.socialOPM
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              Again, I can’t emphasize enough that the vast majority of people upvoting any of this most likely are far from ardent capitalists. I myself am certainly not.

              But I am a realist as much as I am an idealist. As much as you say you have no patience for people that want to fix the tire and buy a new car, I think we struggle to understand the perspective of people such as yourself that would rather walk.

              Quite literally if we do not rectify this particular issue none of us will be living to any kind of standard before long. Rich or poor. This movement is about buying time, putting food on the table, and putting roofs over heads. Not creating utopia

              By no means are you required to be here if you do not agree. Youre wasting your time in trying to change the direction and purpose of this community to something less universal