And by haters I just mean folks who think $12B isn’t a low enough cap…

We are not focused on class war between the majority and the 1%, because (by the numbers) they are not the direct threat to the sustainability of the system. They are not where our money has gone to.

The difference between someone with even $12B and Musk level wealth is the difference between a single story house and a 36 story skyscraper. We are focused on tearing down the skyscraper and taxing the house appropriately. To be frank, the wealth of people with less than a billion dollars is not on our radar as a problem. In contrast, we would like their help in tearing down the skyscrapers. That is the point of our community. We are only after the excess wealth of 250 people in the world.

So again, I welcome you 100% to the tent if you are interested, but politically our goals will always remain simple and be augmented by simple arguments. If that means we are not the community for you, I understand. We’re seeking to act rationally in pursuit of a more ethical world, not to demand ethical perfection from the outset. To be honest I personally believe that ethical perfectionism, infighting, and shrinking the tent are major reasons why progressive movements to rectify wealth inequality constantly fail.

Louis Sachar once wrote an entire book based around the concept that “if you want to fight your way upstream in a river, you have to take small steps”. We arent looking at the end of the river, were looking at the first small steps. (Also that book is a great sequel to Holes for anyone who has never heard of it)

Our argument may seem reductive, but anyone can see the simple nature of the problem. The skyscrapers are a head and shoulders above the single story house. Its a simple problem to see, and an exponential one. 6 people in the world owned half of all the money before covid. Now the problem is even worse. I would venture that the richest 250 people in the world probably own 3/4ths of all the money at this point, at least.

Money was made to move. When that money is parked it doesnt change hands. When it doesnt change hands it doesnt get taxed, things dont get bought. When that happens the government doesnt have the resources it needs, and the economy goes out of whack as well. Its a simple problem that ties into literally every issue imaginable just on that basis. Climate change? We could use more resources to fight it. Materials science to solve the plastic problem? More resources to fight it. People cant afford rent? More resources to pay them. People cant afford healthcare? Do you wish we had bridges to drive over that arent 60+ years old? Are you tired of paying for a fishing/hunting license to subsidize conservation? Everything big and small is impacted in some way by the wealth of the richest 250 people not moving, both inside the US and around the world.

The goal of the movement is not to change the system, really. We arent arguing for moving away from capitalism, even if many of us would like to see that. What we are arguing for is fixing the most unsustainable problem within the system we already have, so that we can continue to fight for a better system in general.

A primary goal is to keep the tent as wide as is possible. The point being that we are fighting specifically on this one issue that should, at least hypothetically, bridge the gap between even people who want radical change and people who want to see no change at all. For people who want radical changes, this is the first step in the right direction. For people who want to see no change at all, this is a step that will prevent the collapse of what they dont want to see changed.

For anyone too broke to afford cost of living, this is what will raise them up to afford a base level of comfort. For the 1%ers, this is what will ensure they get to keep the standard of living they already have, as well as make a shit ton of money off the rest of us. If anything I see this community as an incubation for a political bridge party that can actually bring enough people under one tent to affect change, and breakthrough the various distractions that the richest people in the world rely on so we dont come after them. Red vs blue, black vs white, majority vs 1%ers, and so on and so forth. Its all just bullshit to keep us from paying attention to the 0.0001% who have almost all of the money.

This isnt about redistribution of much of anything from the 1% at large. Its about dislodging the 5 trillion dollars that sit largely in the hands of like 10 people. Just that $5T moving would be enough to allow the rest of the 1% unaffected. Thats like 1/3rd of the federal deficit.

The point of targeting that $5T specifically is because its $5T that is virtually guaranteed to never move otherwise. Its just feel good money for the mega billionaires, which even 1%ers cant relate to nor justify.

We are focused on making the system we have, flawed as it is, a base level of sustainable in the interest of everybody. Capitalism with the bumper guards up. Regardless of what they would want to see next.

To analogize: if were all in one car together right now that is a hunk of shit, and we got a flat tire, the goal for us is to fix the tire so we can make it down the road. Some might want to abandon the car right now even if it means chaos. Some might want to fix the flat so we can get a different car. And some might want to fix the flat so we can keep driving the same hunk of shit. But the goal of our community would be centered on fixing the tire, to avoid chaos and to leave our options open for the future

  • ToastedRavioli

If you’re seeing this from all, here is a link from yesterday to contextualize. Please consider subbing if you’re interested

https://midwest.social/post/30028880

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    I’ve read your essay with increasing attention three times now and it’s impossible to understand what you’re about because you spent the entire time speaking in metaphor. At no point did you come close to describing an actual plan of action. You only vaguely mentioned your goal being ‘a cap above 12B’.

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      The positions of this community are in the stickied post from less than 2 days ago. This community is hardly old enough that I figured it would not be necessary to reference them directly a day after they got written originally

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        i looked at your policy ideas and know exactly one millionaire who would fiercely reject your idea of a 35/hr min wage and rent cap. i live in a small town (smaller than Aspen, but not too far from it in setup or distance), and this particular millionaire gets “their” money through rental units and ownership of local businesses, the employees of which they’d be loathe to pay more per hour.

        now i only know the one millionaire, and thru suffering their constant complaints about not having enough money (even as they are traipsing around the world more often than they are at home), know that convincing them to back this would definitely be a non-starter.

        the other millionaires in this town i don’t personally know, the small, non-billionaire rich in this decimated, hollowed-out town, i still know thru their political actions.

        historically and recently, they are united in their will, using their political influence to reduce the will of the people who live here full-time, increasing their own power.

        they use that power to make sure no popular will affects their business interests. they happily import kids from other countries to work (J1s) rather than provide places for people to live or a wage to live on. as a result, there are almost no services left. this does not trouble them, they can drive or fly, and many vote because they own a second or third home here. yeah, they forced that thru a long time ago.

        while i agree that the system is stupid and they should definitely see that, so too are these indolent millionaires a deeply ignorant, deeply disconnected lot. they might not even be dumb, as tempting as it would be to claim they are…most of em don’t even live here, they don’t care. their concerns don’t mirror ours and never will. if the town rotted to dust? they’d just move their assets elsewhere.

        i just don’t see it, friend.