cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/43954112
China ended the first half of 2025 with a record trade surplus of about US$586 billion
Exports rose 5.8 per cent in June from a year earlier to US$325 billion
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.zip/post/43954112
China ended the first half of 2025 with a record trade surplus of about US$586 billion
Exports rose 5.8 per cent in June from a year earlier to US$325 billion
A strong USA is a call for stability. Consider what they said about the mongols, “For fear of his yasa and punishment his followers were so well disciplined that during his reign no traveller, so long as he was near his army, had need of guard or patrol on any stretch of road ; and, as is said by way of hyperbole, a woman with a golden vessel on her head might walk alone without fear or dread.”
Weather the mongols (or the USA) are a good empire is a separate matter. The US brings a lot of stability for small countries and keeps sea ways open for trade. It is not an act of charity the way some republicans frame it, but still. Simply saying for the US empire to fold those responsibilities begs the question, who or what will take its place?
These are not easy questions and leave a lot unsatisfied. They almost remind me of anarcho capitalists saying that with out states and leaving things to the free market everyone will hold hands and sing kumbaya.
You’re acting as if there aren’t large will powers that aren’t chopping at the bit to take the place of United States to maintain World stability.
You’re acting as if the United States single handily keeps the world stable which is absolutely not true.
If anything the United States is more of a destabilizing force in the global South and it is a stabilizing Force.
Right now I would say China is probably the most stabilizing force in Africa due to its Belton Road initiative and they’re working on helping stabilize South America where the United States is constantly overthrowing governments that aren’t friendly to the United States.
The Chiquita banana Wars come to mine along or the overthrow of Allende when they had a perfectly reasonable centrally planned socialist government in place. The exiled capitalism Chile worked with United States to violently overthrow the government when the people were objectively happy with what they had.
I do not think the United States is a stabilizing Force around the world
I am not and I addressed that when I said,
In your other comment you bring up how China is bullying The Philippines. Russia also treats central asian / caucasian countries the way the US treats central america. Is that good? No, and yet many might say that a strong Russia is a kind of stabilizing force. A stronger Russia is able to bluff that the CSTO is worth the paper its printed on and have deterred the Amermenian-Azzeri war that happened a few years ago.
Do I think the Russian Federation or current China with its imperial goals are forces for good? No, but that is a different question to “do they bring stabilizing effects”. And I will point out again the question was more or less as to why people consider the US a stabilizing force; not if that is a good or moral thing.
A weaker US will probably bring more stability.
If we have a few, not too many, but a few power poles in the world, these powers will likely work to keep each other at bay. The US got completely unhinged after the fall of the Soviet Union. There was no one who could stop them after all. This lead to millions of people murdered by the US and its clients in the past 35 years. Bill Clinton’s presidency alone killed about half a million Iraqi kids through sanctions on food and medicine for Iraq in the 90s, ironically after the US, Germany and other western countries had been major factors in building Saddam’s chemical weapons and using them against the Kurdish minority and Iran. Then came the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions, again killing hundreds of thousands maybe up to a million of people. Libya tossed into chaos, Yemen as a genocidal campaign that the Saudis couldn’t have pulled off without US weapons, intelligence and assistance, killing hundreds of thousands again…
US “liberal hegemony” has been the deadliest ideology in the world after Mao has died
Fair enough my point is if you’re worried about world stability that there are plenty of other countries who are interested in World stability and will pick up the mantle at the US leaves on the ground.
Yeah China’s bullying the Philippines however the Philippines are also a bit of a proxy to the US so they’re just naturally hostile because they don’t like the US. I’m sure there’s other reasons and yes they absolutely have imperialistic ambitions but I would say that when we make comparisons to United States or even like the USSR I think China has more peaceful than these states and is less belligerent.
Not to say that China isn’t belligerent only that I think they’re generally less corrosive to the world
PH, Peru and Argentina all have the same complaints on China regarding fishing. Their aggressive ghost fleets will show up to take everything and ram them out of their own waters. To say they are less aggressive is giving good will they haven’t earned. Likely because they don’t have the same power projection the west currently has.
I think an issue with this statement is that it just assumes things will work out. I specifically brought up the csto as a non western example of an empire collapsing causing a war among two other parties that were in that sphere of influence as they say. I also brought up ancaps as another unserious group of wishful thinking. I don’t have an answer but I am calling yours out as handwaving real concerns.
I’m not necessarily hand waving away the issues you have I just think that there’s plenty of countries jockeying around that’ll fill the void left.
It’s just a difference of opinion.
I do agree that it remains to be seen whether or not that’s good or a bad thing.
China is raping Africa and they will be in debt to them forever. China is also a huge bully in the Philippines. They are not going to be good for stabilizing shit.
But you’re from lemmy.ml so it doesn’t matter what anyone says.
Y’all on .world love to point instances as if it’s the be all end all.
I really fucking hate this style of argumentation so let me handle this now.
This is called a genetic fallacy and it’s utilized to invalidate an argument without actually engaging in the substance of that argument like you haven’t. If you can’t support your opinion don’t argue, don’t offer comment, just block me, down vote, and move on because otherwise I’m going to call you out on using a fallacy to completely sidestep the very valid points I made. I’m going to point out how you didn’t engage with any substance of anything I had to say such as the United States being a much worse stabilizing Force than China.
Here why don’t you support your statement that China is raping Africa worse than the United States has exploited the entirety of the global South including Africa.
China is being a massive bully to the Philippines. That fucking sucks. They shouldn’t really do that. You know who else is a massive bully, the United States. Should we point out all of the countries the United States abuses through sanctions and the mif?
I didn’t say China was sunshine and rainbows I only said that there are more stabilizing influence on the world than the United States is and I have plenty of History of the United States fucking things up far far worse than China ever dreamed of doing.
Your on .world so I don’t actually expect you to engage with the substantive aspects of my argument instead I expect you to fall into ad hominem attacks and more genetic fallacies.
So would you like to continue a conversation by providing some facts to back up your claims or am I just going to sit here and rake you over the coals for acting like a fool and offering an opinion without any substantive argument?
https://www.cna.org/our-media/indepth/2024/03/china-loans-to-africa
It takes 2 seconds to research that china is using Africa as a debt trap with loans that are designed to trap nations.
Tankies gonna tank I guess…
Couldn’t at least find an impartial source?
This is a bit like linking the Chinese government official website about the problems with the US.
Edit:
Regardless thank you for linking a source. I’ll look into this and see what I can learn from it.
CNA is a nonprofit the name isn’t directly associated with the us gov. They get funding from the gov just like a ton of nonprofits do but this doesn’t make them propaganda.
Yeah and radio free Asia is completely unbiased against China.
To even remotely suggest that china is some sort of victim is hilarious, but ml gonna do tankie shit.
Seriously, the USA has its issues, but prior to trump, world stability was something that the USA was known for, because it projected our soft power via backing the USD. It’s why the world is quite pissed that the turnip is being a fucking idiot. China is not that way at all. They want to conquer countries, only reason they haven’t is because their land neighbors have nukes and they have a shit navy that’s crap for invasions.
you’re the one to talk with a .ML account from an .ml instance, the least credible people to listen to. people just dont want instances to be centralized around .world, not because of thier ideology, unlike the tankie triads nobody wants to be associated with.
Well you did exactly as I predicted in my final comment.
Great job continuing to use a genetic fallacy and I appreciate the ad hominem attack you added on the end.
Especially like how you backed up none of your arguments except with a “trust me bro”
You are the perfect representation of the average .world user.
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Fuck yeah! Fuck them up Dastanktal!!
stability for whom? the us has a knack for destabilizing everywhere else.
Iceland, South Korea, and The Philippines make a short list that would agree they’ve benefit. The class may discuss others.