• @ambidexterity@lemmy.world
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    -818 hours ago

    So to start a dialogue, ppl must agree with your premise that human rights exist? Or should we have a dialogue where you prove human rights exist?

    • @JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org
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      8 hours ago

      The conversation has to broach:

      • Medical standards groups have our interests at heart even if medical companies do not
      • trans people exist and have a right to live how they like.
      • Children have a right to some self-determination, including figuring out their sexual preference and gender identity.
      • All people deserve affordable health care and affordable housing, regardless of their race, religion, or background.
      • Criminals deserve to be treated as human beings. Jails directly stand in opposition to that.
      • there’s likely more that I can’t think of.

      These ‘dialogues’ are not about things the left can morally budge on, and they’re insanely exhausting, especially when your opponent isn’t arguing in good faith. No one is obligated to go through that social stress, and frankly it’s probably easier for most to just physically fight right-wing zealots.

      • @ambidexterity@lemmy.world
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        -618 hours ago

        Medical standards groups have our interests at heart even if medical companies do not

        Why would they have our interests at heart?

        trans people exist

        Obviously

        and have a right to live how they like

        Depends on what they like.

        Children have a right to some self-determination

        Nah, they don’t

        All people deserve affordable health care and affordable housing, regardless of their race, religion, or background

        Why? What did they do to deserve this? And why do we ignore religion/race/background? IMO there are no “all people”. Shinto japanese and Arab Muslim are two ontologically different objects like a rock and a stick. We have no reasons to treat them equally.

        Criminals deserve to be treated as human beings. Jails directly stand in opposition to that

        How are human beings treated? What is your solution? Abolish jails?

        • @JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org
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          517 hours ago

          And your disagreement on this demonstrates why you’re gonna get decked by leftists instead of talked to.