Simple as the title says: Why is society so hard to work within whether online or physically in person
I am done… with all of it. Trying to collaborate with people online, seeking medical advice or mental health advice in person. Talking to people I don’t know. Just why is it so hard? I’m cancelling all medical appointments, everything besides getting vaccinations. I want to be mad or sad. Though deep down. Time and time again I’ve been shown. Society isn’t ready or willing to interact with me. My unwanted thought stream wants to say Fucking Burn in Hell but what I truly wish to say. Is, I hope one day. People can look beyond what is comfortable for them. Understand that not everything is black and white. That most of the constraints we have in our life. Is simply social constructs but sadly my ideas go far beyond anything that can be fathomed by humanity and society. My last message. Look beyond yourselves, look at the nature around you and what we are losing. Ask yourself what is truly real. I do hope you all find peace and happiness in whatever comes next. Remember you are all loved and meaningful in this reality.
Do you have a medical degree? Why do you think you know more than people who studied the topic for years?
Don’t get started about doctors being competent because they got themselves a degree.
Obviously someone who hasn’t studied knows less than someone who got a medical degree. But a medical degree is the absolute minimum, the base knowledge. Current research goes way beyond anything a medical degree can teach, and quite obviously so. Medical knowledge is vast, no one is or will ever able to know all of it. Getting a degree gives you a base, a knowledge about the most common ailments, theoretically the ability to get more knowledge if necessary, the ability to assess which new knowledge is useful, and so on. But unless you are specifically well-read in a particular topic, even a doctor with a medical degree is unlikely to know the full picture about a particular ailment.
And even if someone is well-read in a particular topic, human medical knowledge is still incredibly bad, there’s so many things we just don’t know. Even with perfect, up-to-date knowledge on a topic, it’s easily possible to have no explanation or no solution.
So doctors, just like any other humans, go around acting all knowledgeable, and yes, they are more knowledgeable than others. And yes, for common ailments, that have been well-studied, and that they have done additional reading about, they may give good advice. But all doctors are also fallible, they’re all prone to normal human mental biases, like confirmation bias and so on. And they work in a deeply flawed system, completely overworked, too many patients, too little time per patient, and so on.
So it’s very likely all this medical degree, all this knowledge in a doctor’s head is entirely useless for the current situation. You may go to a doctor, and they might not have read the current literature on the ailment you have. They may not identify the ailment you have correctly because it’s very similar to another one. They may not be very thorough, as they may have personal issues or just pressure in a terrible system.
And then someone comes to them with a little bit rarer thing. They slap a “common thing” label on them quickly because they pattern-match from their own incomplete knowledge. As a patient, you’re left feeling like something is missing, and there likely is. It’s very very simple to know more than doctors, research is mostly public, and no doctor has read all research, and you may just hit their specific knowledge gap. In total, they still know much more than you, but in this very specific ailment, you might suddenly know more than the doctor, at least partially, just because a doctor can never know everything.
And then you try to explain to them that there must be something more to it than they know, than they say, and what is the result? “Do you have a medical degree? No? Why do you assume you know more than me?” It’s not an unreasonable argument, and patients are often exactly as stupid and filled with mental biases as doctors are.
But if a patient’s needs are not met, if the “common thing” diagnosis does not satisfy them, if there are unexplained things left, this “I am the doctor, I have the degree” is utterly irrelevant, it is necessary to listen and to consider alternatives, and to also consider one’s (the doctor’s) knowledge might not be enough. It’s necessary to be empathetic and take your time, something rarely done by doctors. It is necessary to explain. Necessary to work to come to a common ground. All not done by doctors, or any human, very often.
I guess what I’m saying is, if there is a question still in a patient’s mind, then the doctor didn’t do a very good job. And most doctors do a very bad job.
You do know docs need continuing learning throughout their career…. Right?
Also, as someone in healthcare (not a doc), your interpretation is… wild at best
I know doctors who get the same CE year after year after year, not because they want to stay up to date but because they want an easy way to keep their licensure. About 70% of my medical clients for that pattern.
Of course I know docs need continuous learning. But do they get all knowledge from that? Of course not. There are still gaps in their knowledge, and like I say, also gaps in scientific medical knowledge itself.
Which interpretation exactly? Can you elaborate please? I’m actually curious in what you think I’m wrong about.
No I don’t have a degree in medical but I have studied medical from Yale. I acknowledge that I am nowhere as knowledgeable as a doctor but if a doctor can’t cooperate and work with the patient why are they in that position. I’m not saying the things I bring up would be 100% correct. Though in the past I did this
Diagnosis hypothesis
Possible diagnosis 1#
Symptoms I know I have
Possible Diagnosis 2#
Symptoms I have
Possible Diagnosis as many as it takes
Symptoms I have
Then
My best guessed diagnosis
With symptoms making me consider
I look for them to help me work through these and see which are more likely than find the correct one if any are.
I wanted you to see this part, @Azzu@lemm.ee
Since in this instance. This is how I found out I had Bipolar and BPD. While it’s harder for medical specifically. It’s not impossible.
What did you study at Yale?
They have open coursework, lectures and more. I do understand it is not equal to going to Yale but for not being able to afford college. Yales free stuff is something I believe we all could argue is some of the most valuable experience beyond maybe Harvard’s stuff.
No from Yale which has much more nuance to it. At would mean I went to, from meaning from their course work.
This is a good approach imo, and if you truly didn’t get the doctor you talked to to take you seriously and fully address your concerns, then they might be a lost cause. Some people are simply not capable.