I can’t use them because I can’t convince anybody to switch with me. I talk to most people on discord and I’d rather move to using Matrix, but I can’t convince any of my friends or family or anyone I know to use anything else.

  • @m_f@midwest.social
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    I bought everyone in my family a drink to get them to use Signal. Worked great and we’re still on it.

    Don’t bother trying to sell people on privacy etc, for the most part. Show them Giphy integration, stickers, Stories, etc and show them that it’s fun. Signal has done great work there, in making it “noob-friendly”

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    I just told everybody that I only reply on Threema and don’t use anything else.

    My thought process was - if they can’t be arsed to use another app (which is an extremely effortless task to do) then they are probably not worth staying in contact with.

    The 3 people that were most important in my life at that point got the app immediately.

    After over a decade with threema I now have over 40 contacts there, mostly friends, some colleagues, multiple hobby centric groups etc.

    I guess just start and don’t compromise and be patient

    • @shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip
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      This is pretty much exactly what I did. I said I will be using signal, and if you want to stay in contact with me, that’s how you will do it, because I will not reply to anything else.

    • @akilou@sh.itjust.works
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      I just told everybody that I only reply on Threema

      if they can’t be arsed to use another app (which is an extremely effortless task to do) then they are probably not worth staying in contact with

      So if someone said you have to use their messagee of choice - Signal, Whatsapp, Matrix, FB Messager, Discord - you’d have no problem meeting them there because it’s effortless, yeah?

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        You left out two important real world aspects from your thought experiment.

        1. one person cares about a specific aspect of the messenger - privacy - and the other doesn’t care, they are just on whatever their peers told them to be on. So if their messenger happens to have the aspect I care about I’ll do it. Since they don’t have any such criteria I expect them to do it as well.

        2. If that person is important enough for me and doesn’t budge I’ll call or E-Mail them. Which is less private than an e2ee messenger, but more private than data harvesting companies.

        • @yonder@sh.itjust.works
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          Exactly this. I use Signal for people close to me and SMS or Email for those who don’t use signal, who I don’t have coversations with often anyways. Dispite it’s many, many flaws, I will use SMS before I use a Meta messenger.

  • @Don_alForno@feddit.org
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    Become unavailable on non-private messengers. Explain your reasons if asked, but stay stubborn. (And yes, it will turn out that a subset of people you know don’t give a shit about staying in contact with you.)

  • @satanmat@lemmy.world
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    We use it at work, or rather I use it to text people at work I like.

    Working with info sec people helps. But I explained it and had them read about it and we all got on board.

    All you really can do is explain that text (sms) isn’t secure and that Signal is. And let people know you want to use it. But yes I wouldn’t try and force it that generally just annoys people.

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    I’ve tried Signal, Session, Matrix and SimpleX and the most convenient one is Signal. Some will refuse to switch, some, the closest people to you, will agree but probably just for you, unless they see an interest in signal themselves

    For WhatsApp users: I’m saying that they leak all the contacts to Meta/Facebook and use it for advertising and tracking, + sending to the US gov because we all know they share data

    For discord users: they’re a bit known for not deleting things, and backed by Tencent (if I recall correctly) they could have a reason to start using messages for advertising or similar. They’re already using game activity data to push ads (or quests as they’re called). Based in the US so also probably leaks to the gov.

    But most importantantly: I just ask if they’re really to have all their messages, and especially their private messages leaked to the public in case they get hacked. Including all images sent in PMs, and having those analyzed by some other companies as well (often for CP, but still, I’m not really ok with that). Some will say that they’re not, in this case alright, go switch to Signal! Some will say they are okay with it, and tbh they’re probably lying or underestimating the risks and the impact.

    Discord is alright, but please, or all sensitive messages, please switch to an encrypted messenger.

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    “I could add you to our group chat. Do you have Signal?” Just that. No questions asked. No convincing to anything. Either “Yes” or “Let me just download”. Surprised honestly how many people either have it already or at least know it. Obviously might not work if you ever talk to the person 1-1, but starting a group chat only takes 2 people 😉

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    I use Matrix with bridges to Signal, WhatsApp, Telegram and Slack.

    That means a single app that I can communicate on multiple platforms with.

    My main conversations happen natively on Matrix but can also talk to “normies” on any of the others.

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      This is my dream setup for messaging as well. My problem is that I would not trust 3rd parties to host this setup, but I also have not gotten around to setting it up myself lol.

    • Orbituary
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      Self hosting? I just grabbed Element X Matrix client from F-Droid. I run a TrueNAS setup at home. I like this idea and will be researching it over the next few days.

  • merde alors
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    it takes some time but people get on signal when you explain it’s advantages over whatsApp.

    i had only one contact on signal when i started using it. Now almost all my contacts are on it.

    it helps if people care about you and rather die than write an email 🙃

  • Anna
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    I started donating to signal and told the family that they have to use it now otherwise it would be waste of money. And everyone switched immediately.

  • @bruhsoulz@lemmy.ml
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    Use whatever you use now less and less and when they ask why u late just claim ur discord app was bugging or u were “talking to ur friends” on element.

  • @chappedafloat@lemmy.wtf
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    If they don’t want to use private communication then just leave it. If you want privacy you have to get used to having a less social life, at least online. That’s the key really, if you want a social life, you have to start going offline, out into the real world and meet people. Get to know your neighborhood a bit or join some outdoor activity or club or something. I know it’s weird at first about going outside because we’re all basement computer nerds but you will find freedom without all the online surveillance when you leave your home.

    JK, because next challenge is to convince everyone you meet that they should leave their phones are home and if you thought getting people to use Signal is hard you have no idea because that’s just step 1.

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    Signal is my preference. I am not going to go around proselytizing to people about it, though. I typically respond and use text as readily. It’s not my job change people. I just change what I’m willing to say openly on any other platform.

    • @kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      My issue with simplex is the centralization. Yes you can self host the servers and point the app to that. But honestly almost no one will change defaults led alone setup a whole server for it.

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    I think there is always someone who is more willing to try it, so you start from them. Like a a techy friend or a parent who doesn’t really care as long as they talk to their child. Then you can proceed by complaining to your social circle about the bad quality of the apps you currently use (like messenger). Someone will be convinced eventually. I recommend you go with signal though since element (x) apps are still not ready for commercial every day use.