Title from the article. Interesting article, with some good words from our DRM-free favorite Cory Doctorow.
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/40754848
Removing DRM has always been “illegal”.
However: German concentration camps were legal, while families protecting Jewish citizens from being taken to said concentration camps was strictly illegal.
What’s legal is not always right (ethically and morally), and what’s right is not always legal. Remember that.
extremely self aggrandizing analogy to say the least
I’d like to clarify that removing DRM does lie in a grey zone in many countries, including in the US due to some court rulings. In some countries the right to make a backup of your e-book might have priority over copyright law for example.
Sure, but companies who employ DRM have argued against that grey area since DRM was a thing. Something something IP/copyright/licensing/whatever bullshit… IMO: fuck you, I bought it, I own it, eat shit.
Correct… How are they going to enforce their “property” rights when I do it at home?
These corpo parasites are delulu hence why I stopped spending money on media.
Get fucked.
The DMCA makes it pretty clear that “Circumvention of Technological Protection Measures” is illegal. There are no exceptions for whether you own or redistribute the content in question.
It’s not needed.
If another law says you have a right to create backups of digital content you own, then two laws are in conflict. Why would dcma have precedence?
No idea about US, but in some countries it would be up to judges, and with enough rulings it would be settled one way or another.
At least here in Germany the bypassing of DRM is so legal they don’t even try to get you for it. The only thing they ever go after nowadays is distributing and consuming that cracked content (get logless VPN and that problem solves itself). But if you go and rip Netflix movies for your own enjoyment they have no leg to stand on in court unless you distribute it.
Aussie copyright law gives us the right to circumvent protections in order to make copies to watch on a device the original can’t be played on.
Linux out of the box is remarkably incompatible with DRM protected content and so makes an excellent thing on which one might want to watch, listen to, or read a thing
You don’t happen to know what whereabouts in legislation that’s detailed, do you?
If another law says you have a right to create
That law doesn’t exist and that’s not how law works. Law does not specify what is allowed, only what isn’t. Breaking encryption isn’t.
It exists in Sweden. We are allowed to make private copies of movies, music and whatever. If I want to rip a CD and give it to my family and friends that is 100% legal. But it’s not legal to sell the copies.
Didn’t realize the DMCA applied in Sweden.
Many European countries (and companies there in) listen to and respect DMCA takedown requests and my point is that it does not apply to individuals. So yes, it applies in Sweden too. Maybe after Trump is done destroying the diplomatic relationships with Europe we can finally start not giving a shit about DMCA.
What are you talking about? Law absolutely can specify that something is allowed.
The right for a private good exists. In the same way different countries exist, different views in copyright and the right to backup exists.
We were talking about laws, not rights or views.
I don’t care what some stupid US law says. It doesn’t apply to me.
That’s great. This conversation was about the US.
It really wasn’t.
You tried to make it about the US when the topic is about a company that operates internationally, that’s what.
Personally, I wouldn’t be surprised is breaking national law in many countries with their one-size-fits-all approach.
But I’d rather just not give a crap about that and just keep pirating my books.
It really was. Do you not know what the DMCA is? It’s US law.
Sometimes doing something illegal is anti-social behavior. Sometimes it’s anti-authoritarian behavior. These are not the same thing.
Or just unlock protected media outside from States.
Always comes to mind. Why buy it if you need to crack the DRM someday and become a criminal? Just pirate it in the first place.
I have been listening to SO many audiobooks since getting Audiobookshelve ❤️
Libro.fm is cool too because you can download and just…own the files
“Illegal”
Fuck them… Just do it.
From a legal standpoint, is it more illegal to remove DRM or to just download DRM-freed content?
Meta lawyers think the second is fine, BTW.
I’ve never heard of anyone getting arrested for removing DRM. DRM removal tools are actively sold online with no crackdown. However people keep getting busted here and there for piracy, and piracy sites keep getting shut down.
I think at the end of the day if the copyright holders are getting paid they don’t really care, and the police cares about piracy way less than they do.
I remember reading that the most significant impact DRM has is on security research. Individuals don’t care about bypassing DRM, but an organization is not going to fund anything involving it because of the legal concern. So if a researcher wants to look into a file format behind DRM, or the DRM mechanism itself, being used as an attack vector, that’s not going to get funding.
The defense that companies will make is that they’re happy to grant exceptions in these cases, but in practice the company will make the exceptions as narrow as possible to err on the side of maintaining as much control as possible, while a research organization will want to err on the side of avoiding potential grey areas, meaning the exceptions are inevitability too restrictive to allow much of anything to come of them.
It’s more legal to share military secrets with journalists. Don’t believe me? Wait and see how long that guy ends up spending in jail.
There is no “more illegal”. One is illegal, the other is not.
Robbing a store is illegal. Murdering someone is also illegal, however one of the two is for good reasons punished much more harshly.
Dude, just stop commenting in this thread. You’ve had nothing but absolutely shit takes
It’s not a “take”, it is a fact.
Stop commenting unless you have evidence to the contrary.
Illegal = against capital interests
If purchased, fuck you, mine not yours.
Just in case anyone didn’t feel like reading the article, here’s the last (and imo most important) paragraph:
However, without changing the DMCA, we can’t expect to see real, lasting change in this space. Doctorow said as much to me: “What we really need to do is get rid of DMCA 1201, that law that makes it a crime to format shift your media…it’s the same law that stops farmers from fixing their tractors, blocks independent mechanics from fixing your car, stops rivals from setting up alternative app stores for phones and games consoles…this law is a menace!”
Good guy Meta. Fighting for us little guys, downloading terabytes of books, defending against lawsuits. Maybe they’ll overturn DMCA?
/s
Never forget it’s legal to make backups.
Unless you “bypass technological measures”. Which is a loophole if I’ve ever seen one.
I luckily live in a country where I may break copy protection if it is to move the content into a format where I can use it as I prefer
Eg I could (and did) legally break copy protection on DVDs to allow me to watch them on my Linux computer
Over here you can even make copies for personal use or sharing with a close group of friends.
I love the unintended consequences of declaring that the internet is to be treated under the same laws as radio broadcasts. Suddenly being allowed to make a recorded copy of anything as long as you yourself create the copy becomes significantly more important.
If that’s true, I’m pretty much Al Capone at this point.
Fwiw, I’ve never put drm on anything I’ve published digitally, and never will.
Not that it matters, nobody buys my shit in the first place lol. But, as a matter of principle, even my crappy stories as a form of culture aren’t only for the people with money.
Mind you, that do? I have no beef with. You make your own choices, and I ain’t mad about it. But it just isn’t something I can do.
I go out of my way to exclusively spend money with the one publisher I’ve found who does not put DRM in their ebooks. I spend lavishly with them because good practices need to be rewarded monetarily in capitalism or they die out.
The rest I pirate.
jaywalking is probably illegal too
And the name is derived from an awful slur too. The history of that is really messed up.
wait really? i didn’t know of any of its history.
off to the wikipedia rabbit hole i go
I will never stop being confused by this law. Just crossing the street cannot possibly be illegal anywhere. I’m fully convinced the entire thing is an elaborate joke by the americans.
Like everything else here in the US, it’s borne out of racism. In the Jim Crow era, most black people couldn’t afford a car. White people driving around didn’t like those pesky walking people getting in their way, so they made it difficult to cross the street. It then gave cops a way to threaten/arrest/persecute them.
It’s interesting when people are put to the choice. On the one hand they could purchase a book with DRM that they don’t actually own. On the other hand, they could look for alternative means by which to obtain the book. And the more the publishers f*** with you, the more you might be inclined to never give them a penny.
You can swear on the internet, your mom isn’t watching.
So do it anyway, not like they could ever know. It’s not a very enforceable thing is it.
Doing illegal things is the new black, haven’t you heard?
Also, how exactly would they catch anyone doing this?
How can they catch people who have produced unlocked epubs? There are plenty of ways if they have your device at some future date.
I suppose the easiest predictable thing other than having your device seized when you’re entering the country for example or when you get arrested for example is that back doors could be installed on Android or iPhone that look for unapproved media.
The technology is already good enough for that. It’s only a question of implementation.
I’m too fucken old to read a book on a goddamn phone screen and my eco reader is too old to enshittify. Mwahahahahha i am untouchable
Sadly its not doable with Kindle and Linux anymore. I buy my ebooks since I only read indie but I will only do it from Itch or other DRM free sites.
