Pope Francis went on the record saying he hoped Hell is empty. Torturing even the worst person for all eternity is overkill in my opinion, maybe after 500, 5000, 5 million years of celestial reeducation, if he really put the effort in, Hitler’s soul could be free. He’s only human and given the absolute worst circumstances and decisions I believe any of us could end up fucking up as bad as him.
FWIW I dont really believe in an afterlife but I do want to believe in universal redemption, as difficult as that can be sometimes.
I think measured against an infinite time even the slowest person would come around. Life is short and nobody is absolutely, perfectly evil, maybe colossally so, more than enough to fill 100 years of a spiteful and bitter life but always in a finite way.
@Asidonhopo My own perspective is that there are evil acts, even evil intent, but not evil people. Evil in people, I believe, must result from neurological or psychological disorders, and in theory should be treatable, given adequate knowledge and tools.
This is one of several reasons I don’t believe in the death penalty.
The classical view, still common today, requires belief in supernatural influences, or immutable qualities beyond the reach of science. I reject that view as ignorant.
I really like your take, I truly do, but let me be the devil’s advocate for a while to test it. Is a minority sexual orientation an immutable quality, or something treatable given adequate knowledge and tools?
True that, Justice is sacred but only when we respect her enough that she remains in this world. As Rome was falling, Justice was the last of the great virtues to leave.
Believe it or not there were people that have done things just as bad as Hitler that have been genocides the world round and for centuries. Hitler wouldn’t be the only one in that circumstance. But in my mind fuck them all they all deserve an eternity in hell if there were such a thing. I’m hoping there’s nothing after this life that way we all just disappear and dissipate and life is what it is and how we lived it is how we lived it.
Pope Francis went on the record saying he hoped Hell is empty. Torturing even the worst person for all eternity is overkill in my opinion, maybe after 500, 5000, 5 million years of celestial reeducation, if he really put the effort in, Hitler’s soul could be free. He’s only human and given the absolute worst circumstances and decisions I believe any of us could end up fucking up as bad as him.
FWIW I dont really believe in an afterlife but I do want to believe in universal redemption, as difficult as that can be sometimes.
Depends, would the worst person torture humanity for all eternity, and never change their mind?
I think measured against an infinite time even the slowest person would come around. Life is short and nobody is absolutely, perfectly evil, maybe colossally so, more than enough to fill 100 years of a spiteful and bitter life but always in a finite way.
@Asidonhopo My own perspective is that there are evil acts, even evil intent, but not evil people. Evil in people, I believe, must result from neurological or psychological disorders, and in theory should be treatable, given adequate knowledge and tools.
This is one of several reasons I don’t believe in the death penalty.
The classical view, still common today, requires belief in supernatural influences, or immutable qualities beyond the reach of science. I reject that view as ignorant.
I really like your take, I truly do, but let me be the devil’s advocate for a while to test it. Is a minority sexual orientation an immutable quality, or something treatable given adequate knowledge and tools?
I think you’re replying in the wrong post?
Oh shit, I think so too.
@angrystego wtf
I’d like to believe in pie in the sky too, but I don’t. The only justice in this world is what we make, and it’s a rare thing when that happens.
True that, Justice is sacred but only when we respect her enough that she remains in this world. As Rome was falling, Justice was the last of the great virtues to leave.
Believe it or not there were people that have done things just as bad as Hitler that have been genocides the world round and for centuries. Hitler wouldn’t be the only one in that circumstance. But in my mind fuck them all they all deserve an eternity in hell if there were such a thing. I’m hoping there’s nothing after this life that way we all just disappear and dissipate and life is what it is and how we lived it is how we lived it.