…I could have told you that 🤷

Source: https://x.com/BriannaWu/status/1984574165643403370

Not my usual kind of source (Xitter), but I want any centrists out there who ask trans people to “just get along” / compromise with actual hate groups that want them eradicated to know that it doesn’t work.

There is no such thing as a reasonable bigot, by definition.

  • AnyOldName3@lemmy.world
    1·
    4 months ago

    The sources people cite for Imane Khelif being biologically male are:

    • an opponent with a history of forfeiting after a single punch and claiming after the fact that her opponent was cheating and that was why she was forced to forfeit did it again. When she did that in the past with other opponents, there wasn’t any assumption that the baseless cheating allegations were on gender/sex grounds.
    • The IBA, an infamously corrupt organisation with the infamously corrupt Gazprom as its majority owner disqualified her from a tournament without saying why. There are enough historic allegations of them disqualifying people for refusing to throw matches that it’s plausible that the only reason she was disqualified was that she refused to throw a match they wanted to rig.
    • JK Rowling said she looked like a man. She does this a lot with a lot of cisgender women due to internalising unrealistic femenine beauty standards.

    People have claimed sex testing was done by an accreddited independent lab, but chasing that citation just leads to the IBA saying she was disqualified without elaborating why, which doesn’t support the claim.

    There’s no actual evidence to support the speculation. That doesn’t mean it’s untrue, but does mean it’s unreasonable to present it as fact - there’s just as much evidence for alternative speculation, e.g. that she bribed the opponent to forfeit and was disqualified by the IBA because they found she’d bribed people to forfeit in the past, and it would be just as unreasonable to spread that rumour I just invented around as if it were fact.

    • powerstruggle@sh.itjust.works
      12·
      4 months ago

      JK Rowling/IBA/etc don’t matter, they’re just noise. The sex test is what matters. Chasing that citation shows this

      https://www.3wiresports.com/articles/2025/6/1/xxyetyl1aewfij823hnfdrsbi1sqjm

      And note this correction (from the IOC!), which straightforwardly implies that it’s a DSD case

      The weight of evidence strongly points towards Imane Khelif being biologically male. It doesn’t mean the IBA isn’t corrupt, JK Rowling isn’t terrible etc, but none of that matters.

      • AnyOldName3@lemmy.world
        1·
        4 months ago

        An article with half a screenshot and a claim that they’re the only media outlet that’s seen the half a screenshot isn’t the slam dunk you’re presenting it as. There’s no way to verify or debunk it, as they could have made it up or their source could have made it up, and if it weren’t made up, the legal consequences for publishing medical information like that would be worse than the consequences for just making it up.

        If it is real, the article’s still disengenuously pushing its own narrative, as the medical profession would still consider someone with those results a woman when the rest of their phenotype resembled a woman, but the article claims otherwise. There’s no single test that definitively determines biological sex as there are too many factors that influence it, and about 1% of people are some kind of intersex, so would exhibit a mix of traits or have something they could be tested for that gave an obviously wrong answer.

        Either way, this whole discussion only strengthens my original point about the integrity of women’s sports not being undermined by trans athletes - they’re still permitted and not winning anything despite that, and other people generally recognised as cisgender women have bigger advantages while still being able to compete and having been able to compete since the inception of women’s sport.