• Artisian@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    I do not endorse the policy of “your group/organization is represented by all people who claim to advocate for it”. I do not want leftism, Palestine, the US, democracy, lemmy, or any other organization to be judged on this basis. So I must ask for a more direct tie, if there are any.

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      2 months ago

      Israel entire history is about surrounding countries hating them for antisemitism and security concern bullshit and nobody talked about people , I am talking about state policies that rarely represent the people of a country and this dumb organization use the same exact strategy. I don’t know why it’s hard for you to understand such single logic

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        2 months ago

        To check that I understand you: you are saying that Israel has used the label of antisemitism in a dishonest, vague, and harmful way as a tool to silence critics?

        If so, we agree on this.

        You are also saying that Israel deserves to be blamed/shamed for this behavior?

        If so, we agree on this.

        To me, this news item is about a particularly heinous (and I believe fundamentally American) grift that needs to be noticed and focused on. I think ‘Pro-Israel group’ could be replaced with the more precise and explicit “stopantisemitism” and it would improve the title. I think there are better (and endlessly many) examples of the government of israel doing this, but fewer opportunities to explicitly pile on to stopantisemitism. I am making a quibble about priorities.

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          I am simply saying that this org are simply using antisemitism to oppress anybody who criticize Israel occupation or even humanize Palestinians kids exactly like Israeli consecutives governments has been doing since it’s creation

          The group repeat Israel government propaganda and rhetoric so I don’t understand your criticism of the title of the article. Only mentioning the group name would make it look like it is a legitimate antisemitism group

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            2 months ago

            I agree with the analogy. Your simple point is a fine one.

            I think there is an opportunity to make a more specific point, that requires no analogy, is shorter and more precise, still works towards your political priorities (assuming you do want Israel shamed for this kind of behavior), and (I think) has a better chance of making specific, incremental, progress in political discourse. That change is to replace “Pro-Israel group” with “stopantisemitism” in the title. The analogy can be easily made in the OP body, comments, and likely springs to any readers mind. It also removes the potential for kibbitzing by apologists about how ‘oh but this is really an american org’.

            That’s the simple change that I’m suggesting.