it is tho, it’s been a part of china since the qinq dynasty in 17th century, the people in taiwan are exactly alike the ones in mainland china. It’s also in the best interest of both to reunificate, the US just wants to turn them into chinese ukraine for their geopolitical goals.
And Taiwan is very vocal about having airspace that goes several hundred miles over mainland China. Taiwan is also very vocal about being a part of china, so what are you gonna do?
Also, why would I be against a full incorporation of Taiwan into China, if it has popular support? The island was occupied by the fascist Kuomintang, the party carried out a genocide on the native population and it’s only around to day because it can function as a military launching ground for the US.
What’s the actual rational explanation for why Taiwan should become an independent nation when that’s not what Taiwan wants nor what China wants and doing so would only be in the interest of the imperialist US?
If this is the kind of stuff you actually care about, then why not start with all the national sovereignty that whatever place you’re from doesn’t respect? You know, something you can actually influence, instead of doing something that just so happens to further imperialist interests?
Popular support where? Taiwan is a healthy democracy and last I heard they will die before accepting Chinese dictatorship. And why would the US start a war with China that they’ll never win?
Taiwan is a dictatorship of capital, not a working class democracy, and was an outright dictatorship for decades when the KMT retreated from the mainland to Taiwan and declared martial law. Taiwan considers itself to be the legitimate government over all of China, not as a distinct island from China, which is why this is a remnant of the Chinese Civil War.
The US would rather sacrifice Taiwan to contain and damage China, because as China develops the US Empire decays. That’s why the US Empire has millitary bases all surrounding China, to keep it boxxed in.
Further, the PRC is democratic, the vast majority of people say the government reflects the will of the people:
Both the PRC and ROC (Taiwan) claim sovereignty over all of China. Neither considers the island of Taiwan to be distinct from China, the question is over which government has legitimate sovereignty over all of China, and the overwhelming consensus globally is that it’s the PRC. Taiwan’s government is made up of the ones that lost the Chinese Civil War and fled to the island, slaughtered resistance, and have been protected by the west.
Taiwan exists only because the US intervened to stop the fascists it supported in the civil war from being wiped out, so it’s necessarily a US protectorate/puppet.
And to circle back again to your question, no it couldn’t be; they killed the people who were there before they moved in.
Taiwan claims the mainland is theirs, the mainland claims Taiwan is theirs, because both claim to be the legitimate government of all of China, and Taiwan is a part of China.
It is theirs. If you support Taiwanese separatism then you should be consistent and support all separatist movements. There’s plenty in Europe you should support them.
China is very vocal about taiwan being theirs.
it is tho, it’s been a part of china since the qinq dynasty in 17th century, the people in taiwan are exactly alike the ones in mainland china. It’s also in the best interest of both to reunificate, the US just wants to turn them into chinese ukraine for their geopolitical goals.
And Taiwan is very vocal about having airspace that goes several hundred miles over mainland China. Taiwan is also very vocal about being a part of china, so what are you gonna do?
Also, why would I be against a full incorporation of Taiwan into China, if it has popular support? The island was occupied by the fascist Kuomintang, the party carried out a genocide on the native population and it’s only around to day because it can function as a military launching ground for the US.
What’s the actual rational explanation for why Taiwan should become an independent nation when that’s not what Taiwan wants nor what China wants and doing so would only be in the interest of the imperialist US?
If this is the kind of stuff you actually care about, then why not start with all the national sovereignty that whatever place you’re from doesn’t respect? You know, something you can actually influence, instead of doing something that just so happens to further imperialist interests?
Popular support where? Taiwan is a healthy democracy and last I heard they will die before accepting Chinese dictatorship. And why would the US start a war with China that they’ll never win?
Taiwan is a dictatorship of capital, not a working class democracy, and was an outright dictatorship for decades when the KMT retreated from the mainland to Taiwan and declared martial law. Taiwan considers itself to be the legitimate government over all of China, not as a distinct island from China, which is why this is a remnant of the Chinese Civil War.
The US would rather sacrifice Taiwan to contain and damage China, because as China develops the US Empire decays. That’s why the US Empire has millitary bases all surrounding China, to keep it boxxed in.
Further, the PRC is democratic, the vast majority of people say the government reflects the will of the people:
Both the PRC and ROC (Taiwan) claim sovereignty over all of China. Neither considers the island of Taiwan to be distinct from China, the question is over which government has legitimate sovereignty over all of China, and the overwhelming consensus globally is that it’s the PRC. Taiwan’s government is made up of the ones that lost the Chinese Civil War and fled to the island, slaughtered resistance, and have been protected by the west.
Legitimately asking, not trying to make a point; how long ago was that?
1949 was when the KMT retreated to Taiwan and declared martial law.
Oof, okay.
Yep, it coincides with the founding of the PRC in 1949, because that was when the CPC won the civil war against the KMT. Here’s a good background.
Do you have a reasonable explanation of why it should be the US’s and not theirs?
Can’t it just be Taiwan’s?
Taiwan exists only because the US intervened to stop the fascists it supported in the civil war from being wiped out, so it’s necessarily a US protectorate/puppet.
And to circle back again to your question, no it couldn’t be; they killed the people who were there before they moved in.
Taiwan claims the mainland is theirs, the mainland claims Taiwan is theirs, because both claim to be the legitimate government of all of China, and Taiwan is a part of China.
And Republic of China—aka the government of Taiwan Island—is very vocal about China, Mongolia and old Qing Dynasty territories being theirs.
Would be real funny to watch the US and friends do a 180 on freeing Tibet
If Tibet was actually ever “freed” (it already is free) then that is sort of what would happen
It is theirs. If you support Taiwanese separatism then you should be consistent and support all separatist movements. There’s plenty in Europe you should support them.
I refuse Taiwan separatism but support European separatist movements. What does this makes me?
Morally correct on my book.
Your moral book shall be kept on based library of fully-automated gay space communism.
There’s so many Types Of Guy that could make you, it’s hard to count.
I’m available if any libs for fashes wanna throw hands.
I haven’t looked into all European separatist movements, but afaik that makes you based
Brexit/ukip is/was an independence movement of sorts and pretty shit.
Anything against britbong interests are good.
There used to be strong anti-EU movements on the left, but they’ve all died out. It’s a shame
Yeah, a shame. Now the so called Euro-left is filled with left anti-coms, and they would rather side with imperialists than MLs.
Euro-“communism”, not even once.
I checked the list and I think I’m against separatist movements in Russia and Serbia for now because of their obvious impcore-led origins.
Probably because it clearly is