lmao, good riddance

In this very fucking thread.

Plenty of real socialists. Just filter grad, ml, and Hexbear, and the ratio much improves.

Speaking up is a good start. Having infinite energy for condemnation of every misstep of a bourgeois liberal regime but not a single moment for the condemnation of repression in an authoritarian theocratic regime because it’s “Anti-West” is suspect.

Luckily(/s) many of the usual suspects on here have shown that they have plenty of energy… for condemning the Iranian protests.

Related - I passed a church the other day with one of the electronic signs out front.

It flashed “Pray for Israel” with the Israeli flag.

American Evangelicals are in-ex-fucking-plicable. And I say this as someone who was raised in that sectarian tradition.

Quite the stretch. There really isn’t any comparison to be done between a war of foreign aggression and a civil war in this context.

As I said elsewhere, the effect of denying the centralized government the ability to offer elections in occupied territory is the same.

Also didn’t the US allow a third time for Roosevelt during WWII for much the same reasons?

There was no law at the time limiting the number of terms presidents could win.

I mean, the arguments put forth for not having elections during wartime is sound. It’s not so much a moral high ground as an amusing piece of trivia.

But yes, the current shitwit’s enthusiasm for locking us under the fascist regime is… notable.

Explanation: Many European countries, including Ukraine, which is currently struggling against an imperialist incursion by Russia, have laws on the books which restrict or restrain elections during wars which violate the territorial integrity of the polity - ie, that holding elections while being bombed is impractical, and holding elections in occupied territory is impossible.

The US, being a vast country even at its youngest point, founded in an era before motorized armies and aerial bombing, and insanely attached to the one document that lays out the processes of our government (because if we weren’t, we’d immediately start killing each other over what it should be instead), has no such laws. During the US Civil War, we just ignored the South during the 1864 election. Doing so resulted in the most radical and forward-thinking (relative to contemporary society) Congress in US history, and a resounding re-election victory for President Abraham Lincoln.

… we gave the South their fucking voting rights back too soon.

Surviving one week at a time.

Rendition by an anarchist folk band too!

The Union’s Socialist-Liberal Popular Front against slavery should be an inspiration for all of us to set aside broader questions of social structure to stop horrific atrocity-regimes from coming to fruition

Likewise, the failure of the Revolutions of '48 due to liberal-socialist infighting should be a warning to all of us what exactly can happen if we focus too much on circular firing squads instead of crushing the most entrenched and reactionary powers currently around.

That being said, I do want to clarify that the reverse is not necessarily the answer - “ignore your allies’ flaws and trust them unconditionally” is a great way to get backstabbed. But there is room for united action against worse enemies, and it’s largely necessary to accept some amount of unity with people whom one… strongly disagrees with… to dislodge entrenched powers.

No, because I was only vaguely aware of them; yes insofar as I support leftists in struggle against oppressive authorities?

“the voting population”

1 out of 2 American adults who give enough of a fuck to vote are Trump supporters.

No, I mean the PLF, fuck the PLO.

Why would you ask if I supported a minor leftist group in the Palestinian struggle from the 80s? Like, even back then they weren’t a major player, and to my recollection, the largest PLF faction sided with the PLO.

Somehow, the Confederacy returned

Well, fundamentally, I don’t know what it’s trying to say.

“Before that” was before I was born, but yes, I’ve supported Palestinian liberation ever since I first became informed on the Israel-Palestine situation, that is to say, before I even graduated high school.

I presume by PLF you mean the PLO and not a minor left-wing org from the 80s, in which case I can answer in the affirmative to that as well.

If he were to turn against them, things would very quickly look very differently.

How? People have spent over a decade of their lives, isolating themselves from former friends and family in their worship of the orange rapist. The sunk cost fallacy is here deep.

I appreciate that you’re trying to highlight the deeper fundamental problem that could lead to a repeat of this situation even when Trump is gone, but I think you’re really underselling just how much of a fucking cult Trump has cultivated, and how immensely idiotic, immoral, and hypocritical his followers are.

Remember that as late the 1950s, a slim majority of Germans still thought positively of Hitler.

This is a horrifically unclear meme.

It may well be that they have lost control, as the German economic elite did with Hitler at the time, but I consider that unlikely, because there is so much dirt on this pedo that the elite can easily bring him down as soon as he falls out of favor.

What dirt could possibly bring Trump down? His bootlicking followers are conditioned to dismiss or justify everything, up to and including literal pedophilia.