Indeed, and if you look at what Daley has said about this Trek film in the past…

I think the portrayal of Starfleet and the people that work within it have always been generally idealized versions of what the future could be. And while this [script] isn’t a cynical or nihilistic take on it, I think it does acknowledge that there are some bad apples in every institution that can have a strong voice and can really make an impact on that institution and everything it stands for.”

Serious, but not cynical or nihilistic.

There’s hope, and then there’s delusion…

it actually starts filming

Now you’re dreaming.

That movie is indeed fantastic, but I don’t think it has quite the tone I would want from a Star Trek movie.

I think their “Crimson Tide” comparison is pretty darned compelling. That’s a serious movie with a lot of tension, but it’s hardly a heavy slog.

I do wonder if they’re dancing around NDAs and junk like that, too - writers really don’t like to talk about stuff in the early stages.

Especially in a SF context where they’re not being clear if “timeline” means “somewhere else on the established timeline” or “a new alternate one”.

Unfortunately, I think that ship hath sailed. The word is used to mean both things fairly interchangeably, by fans and professionals alike.

In this context, I’m pretty comfortable assuming that they’re looking at a new era within the regular ol’ Prime Universe.

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No legacy characters, nobody that you’ve met before. A different time, not a different timeline per se, but it’s a little further in the future.

I don’t actually think this is very ambiguous?

I think the odds of a tv series are less than zero at this point, but comics would be a great fit.

Nearly every time travel story ever told in Trek has been about doing whatever you need to do to preserve history. The aliens in the episode are a large-scale Edith Keeler, with the chief differences being the sheer scale of it, and the fact that unlike Kirk, Pike didn’t have the steady voice of Spock insisting that this is what had to be done.

And, from the point of view of preserving known history, Pike’s hunch was correct, and now he has to live with that.

So yeah, I think it’s pretty interesting.

at least discussing it through would have been interesting.

I think him having to make a snap decision without complete information is far more interesting, both dramatically and as an exploration of themes that have been present in the franchise since the beginning.

It’s interesting that your preferred solution is to remove all agency from the characters.

You would have preferred the genocide to have been not on a hunch?

Oh, for sure. But we’re definitely supposed to have a sense of dread about it.

They can only ever be mostly dead.

I thought Pike was still a Captain during The Menagerie, but Memory Alpha says he was a Fleet Captain, which I guess is a billet and not an official rank?

SNW has played fast-and-loose with what was established in “The Menagerie” - Kirk does call Pike “Fleet Captain” at the beginning of the message, and goes on to tell Commodore Mendez that he met Pike when he was promoted to fleet captain. It’s not explicitly stated, but the obvious implication is that this was the only time Kirk met Pike.

But, Pike has already been temporarily promoted to fleet captain, back in “Lost In Translation.” He does indeed meet Jim Kirk in that episode, which basically fulfills what Kirk said in TOS. Obviously, they’ve met many times since then, but it doesn’t technically break anything, even though it clearly wasn’t the original intent back in “The Menagerie”.

I thought I didn’t enjoy this season, but it turns out I actually did. So…there is that.

I actually think this will end up being a common opinion. For all the hand-wringing about the “gimmicks,” I think every individual episode was…fine, at worst. And I would strongly recommend taking another look at “A Case of Chiaroscuro” some day - I think it’s pretty top-tier.

Which makes me wonder how the next season will feel.

I’ve been thinking about that lately. I see a couple of possibilities:

• A single, six-episode arc (which doesn’t really seem like this show’s style).

• Standalone episodes with significant time-jumps in between (seems more likely to me).

Of course, there are other possibilities (maybe a bunch of two-parters like ENT season 4?), so who knows?

It reminds me of the Babylon 5 season 4 finale, which was written to function as the series finale when they thought they wouldn’t get renewed.

Even better, the actual series finale was filmed at the end of season 4 and withheld until season 5 ended (which is why Ivanova is in it instead of Lochley, for example). So season 4 sort of had two finales.

Yeah…I think Collider has fallen pretty far in terms of the way they write their articles and headlines - I assume it’s the brief mention about how season five has “essentially no genre hopping,” per Akiva Goldsman.

Trick question - there are no good episodes of Star Trek.

What’s wrong with space baby? If we start to exclude “space baby,” we’re actually excluding a fair number of Trek episodes.

Being physically unable to watch something seems like a medical concern. Might be worth looking into.

Pray for Future La’An.