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I fundamentally disagree with this as an effective tool for building a mass movement that is necessary for the change we want to foment. We cannot achieve these goals by beginning our fight as a fractured base - this is why political education is such an important part of the process in organizing new people into these movements. Not a single person raised in liberal society popped out of the womb as a leftist - every one of us had someone pull us into this fight in one way or another and kick start our development as political actors. As people able to do that for others now I see it as our duty to do so.

I agree with ensuring not to subordinate leftist orgs to liberals BUT we must be open to them joining our spaces. How else are we going to bring our ideas to them? Many liberals just need a push in the right direction to seeing the web of evil that all comes from capitalism but they aren’t going to get that as readily if we are actively turning them away. We have to be willing to meet people where they are at and educate them especially these people self selecting into more radical groups who are definitely more easily agitated into broader political engagement.

Join your local orgs people! I am actively working with the Ohio DSA chapters to help plan ways to assist against the impending ICE incursion when the Haitian community loses its Temporary Protected Status. Every body helps doing outreach to drive volunteers to get the rapid response networks and mutual aide networks going!

We have to band together as a community NOW. Join the groups organizing and planning in your area so you can help make sure your friends, family, and community members are as ready as they can be.

My man has leftists and liberals confused lmao

Just trying to justify further imperialist incursions as if the way we have sanctioned Cuba out of the world economy isn’t a violent enough punishment for them having the audacity to uplift their people.

The numbers simply do not support you. https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/kamala-harris-gaza-israel-biden-election-poll

Sorry! Who lives in a bubble? 🤔

Also do you know what identity politics are? I was not making any arguments like that. My only mention of idpol is in calling it a cop out excuse lol

So again just gonna point out that no one has any substantive things to say to me its all just how you feel which is utterly worthless.

I always question this idea that .ml instances are somehow bad rep. The perspectives are so varied from the left of whatever the Lemmy.world instance is at political that that is a really wild generalization. Are there annoying leftists? Oh my god yes but there are also annoying liberals.

You do need to have people be willing to engage in good faith, which I do strive to do, but its not pushing an agenda its expressing a different political ideology which largely fundamentally reimagines what society can be in a way where it is better for us all. Not modest reform that makes you feel like things are better when all the same systems of oppression exists but one where those systems are gone. It takes a lot of work to learn how to have those conversations in a way that is productive and wholly valueless…they are almost impossible to do over these kinds of forums unless every party is coming to the table in good faith which I find to be rare.

Anyway I disagree with how you are characterizing what I said still but agree to disagree I guess.

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“Republican pivot” the dude was always a fucking conservative who wanted to exploit and cheat his way to riches. What is this take?

They are fundamentally both the exact same in regards to their inability to push for substantive change needed. Calling her a centrist in comparison to Walz is patently ignoring every right wing take they share on every important issue (right wing being in support of capital). It’s comical to me and speaks to only having a surface level analysis of both of them without any regard for their complicity in the systems of oppression they support and prop up.

My point here is if he actually pushed for abolishing ICE as one of the most popular and visible politicians in the country he would inculcate that idea further in the populace so THEY can do pressure campaigns.

Why are we so invested in relying on these geriatric assholes to convince each other of what to do? People should be showing up outside their elected officials houses protesting. They should be harassing them in the streets until they can’t go anywhere without hearing about it. The people have the power here.

I think you are ascribing a character to what I said that is not there. Where was I angry or a dick in what I said? I’m just being honest.

Like I think I don’t disagree with you on some of this but I’m struggling to understand how it’s relevant to my comment.

Cool so right on track with the Nazis then.

He doesn’t care about you. He is just like every other Democrat owned by the state and hellbent on preserving the exact systems that pump these violent actions out.

He IS doing his job. His job is not to care for you it is to uphold the profits of the rich and to assuage the working class enough to stay in line so the system can keep running.

I don’t even know how to engage with this comment what an insane thing to say.

He is literally using his power as governor to defend these ICE thugs because he is a feckless democrat who has no theory of how to change this country for the better unless it is incremental and within the bounds of what our corporate overlords have authorized.

The people in this country want to abolish ICE. He is just as out of touch as everyone else in power. Expect better. Or do you just want ICE to be slightly nicer while still brutalizing the population like they have since the Obama started this ramp up over a decade ago?

Do you have any kind of real substantive things to say to me or is it just liberal pablum?

Like do you think I see criticisms from liberals who enjoying licking the boot on their neck and take it seriously?

I would love to engage in an actual conversation if you are capable.

How about abolish ICE you stupid old man. Bernie has become such a disappointment as he’s aged out of his ability to take in new information and adjust his world view.

This 100% implies he is OK with ICE and the brutality it always does but is just upset at the optics. Why do you want to reform something that is valueless? How about redo the immigration process to make it easier to get paperwork? How about put the money we spend on ICE towards our crumbling infrastructure? Literally anything else would be a better use of this money.

Lest we forget crossing the border without paperwork is ONLY A CIVIL OFFENSE.

Its funny you call her a centrist but what is Walz then? He has modest economic reforms he accomplished and some other things but on every other issue he is just as right wing as every other Dem.