The US government is the absolute arch enemy of anything actually socialist. To construct some weird ass reasoning, that any kind of foreign interference amplifies that very fringe aspect of US society is … man, I would argue that you‘ve got brain worms (but more likely a default western mind, which you yourself are the master of, if only you dared).

The US population is conditioned to reject anything labeled socialist since the Russian revolution in 1917, the very moment the proletariat brought the evidence, that the exploited class is able to govern itself. That radiated internationally, as evidenced by the establishment of communist parties in the following years all around the world.

The US elites, panicked a worker’s revolution could threaten their rule, and immediately joined forces to invade Soviet Russia to try and put an end to that (but failed). The US did not recognize Soviet Russia until 1933, in fear to legitimize the Bolsheviks.
The US immediately started its domestic red scare propaganda and repression of anything vaguely critical of the government, so mostly anarchists, communists and worker unions.
The US/CIA ever since has been the main actor to topple and squash any attempts of socialism (or otherwise unaligned rule) by force, going as far as to genocide the native population, see Korea, Vietnam, where it slaugthered millions. It‘s using military force, interference and coups until today.
The reason there even was a Cold War was, because the US capitalist class was scared that the communist idea would tale hold and thereby forced the war ridden and slaughtered Soviet people into an perpetual arms race so it wouldn‘t be abble to get crushed by the US war machine. Resources that would have been needed in other places.
US propaganda is the very reason, that nowadays a bunch of so-called socialists hold the conviction, that communism is somehow bad or evil, because it put a lot of energy into building that narrative.
The US produced the so-called Compatible Left to pacify the movement, so it wouldn‘t grow to become a danger for the ruling class. A philosophical poison throughout the western hemisphere.

No foreign actor needs to add a drop into the ocean that is US anti-communism, that‘s the definition of a wasted effort. The USA IS anti-communism by being the capitalist world hegemon. US-Americans fully support capitalism, because it‘s their domestic ideology, their only conceivable reality. Their country and their system has become the sole ruler of the world (or, has been as of lately) ever since the Soviet Union as a counterweight vanished. That‘s also a good chunk of the reasons why the world has been in constant crisis ever since. They really don‘t need Russia for any of that.

I’m absolute certain, that you have absolutely no fucking clue, what you are talking about. Would you be an LLM, we‘d conclude that you are hallucinating.

How it really works: I got bored, checked Lemmy, it’s been a while, saw some fun nonconfrontational turmoil and was more entertained by that and by the quality of the answers, than what late night YouTube had on offer. Until this post I didn‘t even realise that Ukraine did another terrorist attack on civilian infrastructure. I see no reason to celebrate this kind of stuff like it‘s done here by the users that think so highly of their own morals.

I come at you, because your takes are shit.

One point that could actually be a cause of confusion, so I ask you to please clarify: Do you count Russia and China towards „the northern countries“?

Those pesky global south countries perpetuating constant conflict. The world could be such a peaceful place, if only they wouldn‘t do what Russia and China want. Either way, can’t be that those backwards (brown and black) people could have any kind of self-efficacy. Surely the least racist take around.

The ones that aren‘t Russian bots, obviously.

Soo, you disagree with the proxy war analysis? Because that‘s the heretic view, you might want to explain that.

And which drone „attacks“ do you think are actually Russian provocations? Because last I heard those never come through upon further inspection, it‘s all consent manufacturing.

What‘s your perspective about our European internal propaganda, what are aspects of that?

The fact you‘re forced to do wage labour is the largest theft of capitalism, period. Extracting the surplus value of your productivity … something something Marx Das Kapital.

Wage theft is just more of that, since you won‘t do shit about it. Except, … if you organize to build power and leverage. Only then there might be a chance to change things for the better.

Nah man, not „denying issues“. I‘m just not willing to jump through hoops, because you keep throwing propaganda talking points at me.

Uyghurs and Tibet, Tibet, Uyghurs, More Uyghurs

Breakthrough News, a media outlet hated by Trump, has some actual reporting on China with their regular China Report. On the linked video their guest is Ben Norton of Geopolitical Economy Report, another excellent resource.

E: How quaint.

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I try not to let US state department propaganda narratives dictate my perspective on their geopolitical adversaries.

That‘s a reach, if I ever saw one. China lifted more than 800 million people out of poverty, and in fact eradicated poverty at all. Last I heard, their standard of living just closely missed being in the high income countries category. Their trajectory is in complete contrast to the declining Western empire.

China is better at capitalism, because it‘s their only play to stay sovereign and overcome this predatory system completely. They have to prove to the capitalist world, that their system and long term development is superior and it‘s only beneficial for the world to follow their transition towards socialism to enable prosperity for all humankind, not just the global north. Not gonna happen under capitalism, especially not under the US or the EU.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

Well, in Germany VW (the second largest automobile manufacturer in the world) now is laying off a significant portion of their employees, closing factories and even selling them off to US/Israeli weapons manufacturers. Their head also already signaled VW is being open to switch to weapons manufacturing. Pretty sure other German brands are in similar peril.

Traditional manufacturers are dead.

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Interesting answer. So, do you actually care for Ukrainian lives?

You’re literally a western propagandist. (yap yap yap)

Haha.

I suggest that thread. Maybe you’re not excusing it then, but at least trivialising it. You wouldn’t do it the other way around, or in same scenario with other actors. You commented like that, because you feel affiliated with Ukraine and have a more dismissal attitude towards Russia and China.

You mean the US? The Zelensky regime?

It’s rich, tho, that you pretend to care about Ukrainians, as you find excuses to extend the war effort and with that keep feeding Ukrainian men into the meat grinder against their will, by kidnapping them off the streets. You could advocate for negotiations, but borders are more important to you, than human live. You don’t give the slightest shit about the Ukrainians.

Thanks, I know. It’s a play on your own cheeky remark:

I don’t think anyone was suggesting the ukrainians would do that. Buuuut (excuse state terrorism)

Have a good day, same person!

Yes, sure, must be it.

I mean. I don’t think anyone was suggesting echodot would imply otherwise. Must be Russian Kool-Aid.

Nah man. I’m not denying reality, of course Russia did invade Ukraine. You’re not proving or disproving anything, lol. The UN vote back in 2022 also doesn‘t say anything about international support, it only confirms the international condemnation of the invasion. But you surely also can see the huge yellow parts, right?

Your yapping about the German government, pretending like there’s no bigger dynamics going on is just as ridiculous as your pseudo-innocent takes. Germany is complicit in the genocide and are actively repressing opposition to their own criminality. Further, as if it’s only the German government, that does not recognize the truth about Israel and Palestine, right, not like in the UK people are being arrested left and right for the terrorism of speaking out. The EU sanctions their own journalists. In the US people are getting deported. Hell, they freaking bought TikTok and gave it to a Zionist billionaire to smother uncensored Palestine reporting, by getting a hold of the algorithm, after which it became a right wing pro Israel platform. This also has been openly admitted by, … dunno who it was, Graham or some ghoul.

Obvisously it is unwilling to risk allowing antisemitism to rise again, and that’s a valid concern, so I understand why, but (…)

Ah, right, that’s where you coming from. Quite exposing from an anti-zionist perspective. Way to defend a genocide supporting and war facilitating country. Very considered of you.

That doesn’t mean that Russia isn’t targeting civilians in this war. It’s not the good guy.

Nobody said that, further bad faithing. You pretend, as if I haven’t explained entirely different dynamics. BuT rUsSiA, sToP lOoKiNg At OuR sO-cAlLeD dEmOcRaCiEs!!!1

It doesn’t need to be at war with Ukraine.

But it decided, that it needed to, in order to survive against NATO aggression. It’s not like there’s an undo button. And only denying them their perspective and pretending like NATO is not the most dangerous organization on earth would be quite the unequal measure. Maybe that wouldn‘t have happened, if the Ukrainian fascists didn‘t murder 14.000 of their fellow landsman, just because they were Russian speaking. Who knows. But there’s no reason to ignore reality. Except, if you’re ignorant, not interested in truth seeking or have an agenda.

Unfortunately the world is more complicated than “the West is bad and everyone against the West is good”.

Unfortunately, I didn’t say that “everyone against the West is good”. That’s not even an argument, it’s nothing but an empty phrase. You’ve got nothing. But yes, the West is the bane if humanity. It‘s the main aggressor, exploiter, polluter and oppressor. It‘s a fact. Again, no need to deny reality. The world is moving on, they‘re fed up with it.

Thanks for showing your allegiance. So you’re not acting out of naivity, but purposefully. Noted. You know, back in early '24, if you acted like that, but focused on the topic of I/P, you’d be marked as a Hasbara agent. You gotta stay more organic and sincere with your answers. Your professional deflection speak is unauthentic. Say, have you considered not to sell your soul?

Ukraine has no international goodwill and also does not rely on it. Ukraine solely depends on the goodwill of the Western capitalist block, as it’s a puppet to fight a proxy war for them in order to weaken Russia. This is official policy, as I have explained and sourced in another comment. It’s really only the US and it’s close allies that vilify Russia. The rest of the world knows full well, that this is a farce, an attempt of Western Imperialism to subdue and deconstruct Russia in order to encircle China. This. Is. Official. Policy. Ukraine is the victim of Western Imperialism, a puppet, a proxy; this is consensus outside of the Western sphere of influence. Supporting the ongoing war effort, means supporting the demise of the Ukrainian people and the Russian people, means supporting the West’s strategy to destroy Russia to gain Lebensraum, resources, power and encircle China.

Ukraine has long sold off it’s own resources and sovereignty for material support and credit, it’s now so highly in debt, that it will never be able to pay it back. It will have to give everything they’ve got left to Western banks and finance capital for investment opportunities. I don’t know if you already forgot the power differential between Trump and Zelensky; he’s a puppet. And no, that’s not Russia’s fault. You people celebrate the abuse of the Ukrainian people by the US and Europe, because you think their brothers in the east are the culprits. How do you on the one side manage to realize the horrific role the West plays in the Palestinian genocide, the US/Israel war on Iran, the bombing of innocent people. All well supported by every major European country accept Spain, which denied base access to the US, spoke out against the genocide and promptly got chastised for it … how do you keep turning around to Ukraine and seriously think, this is a good and righteous war in the interest of the Ukrainian people? It’s so disgusting.

Now, if the few western Lemmy internet people believe that or not is not even of any direct consequence, other than to make sure the populous does not rebel against the West’s war effort, everybody stays in line and makes sure the general consensus in the EU is to become fit for war, to activate enough willing soldiers and supporters for the good cause™ to defend™ our values™, freedom™ and way of life™ (aka, directly attacking with NATO power by use of some kind of false flag, as is etiquette), because, you know, the evil Russians are coming for us (which they’re not even).

The very same kind of war propaganda since before WW2, when it was important for German capital to fight the judeo-bolshevik brute from the east (aka communism) and later throughout the Cold War through Red Scare propaganda. This never stopped. The propaganda never stopped. Today the end game is China. And you people keep wondering what’s up with all the right winginess throughout the West - sheeesh, that’s capitalism for you, mutating into fascism, because it’s in a crisis it can’t lift itself out of. Western capital outsourced all of its production forces to cheaper global south countries and now has nothing left to innovate and produce, get’s overtaken by a new socialist super power, China. The west just can’t compete in their own system. All that’s left is war economy. VW is planning to switch to weapons manufacturing in Germany (Osnabrück), and several US and Israeli weapons manufacturers are planning to build factories in structurally week regions (Elbit Systems in Sangerhausen, Covenant in Leipzig), where people are desperate for jobs. (German examples, because I’m German and more involved in that country’s politics). The government just yesterday officially blamed Russia for a drone incident, that they can’t show because they don’t even have any evidence for. They just claim it is so, with trust me bro logic, in order to escalate relations and fearmonger their citizens into compliance.

Once Europe’s elite decides they’re prepared well enough, they will force their own working class to go die on the front for the interests of the capitalist ruling class. Russia and China are the West’s adversaries, so Ukraine, scrambling to survive in this unwinnable war they where forced into (by the West), has always had a very strong motive to escalate and to involve other countries in the actual war, in the hopes they don’t have to do it all alone, with the mere weaponry support of the west; sending their own men, while Western Europe doesn’t need to send their own, because Ukraine has to fight their war for them.

If you’re serious with your demeanour, I find you horribly naive. To the point where I’m inclined to think you’re doing this purposefully, since you’re so busy posting Western war propaganda.

TL;DR:
No, Ukraine’s government is not relying on international goodwill. Yes, Ukraine’s government has a lot of reasons to escalate.