• @ceenote@lemmy.world
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    232 days ago

    But bringing people over from the right is important and attacking them is counterproductive.

    • @gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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      19 hours ago

      on a similar, related, note, integrating young men into society and not estranging them by telling them that they’re the worst, is also important to have a coherent society.

      • @ThunderWhiskers@lemmy.world
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        Exactly, the issues we are diametrically opposed on cannot afford compromise. You can’t compromise on whether or not trans people deserve to exist. You can’t compromise on whether all school children deserve to eat. You can’t compromise on the opposition of fascism, racism, and bigotry. These people can get on the right side of morality or they can get fucked and I’ll tell every one of them to their face now that the other shoe is dropping on it. They have been offered the open hand of reason and discussion since at least 2015. They spat in our face for a decade. Now they get the fist.

      • @ambidexterity@lemmy.world
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        -818 hours ago

        So to start a dialogue, ppl must agree with your premise that human rights exist? Or should we have a dialogue where you prove human rights exist?

        • @JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org
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          The conversation has to broach:

          • Medical standards groups have our interests at heart even if medical companies do not
          • trans people exist and have a right to live how they like.
          • Children have a right to some self-determination, including figuring out their sexual preference and gender identity.
          • All people deserve affordable health care and affordable housing, regardless of their race, religion, or background.
          • Criminals deserve to be treated as human beings. Jails directly stand in opposition to that.
          • there’s likely more that I can’t think of.

          These ‘dialogues’ are not about things the left can morally budge on, and they’re insanely exhausting, especially when your opponent isn’t arguing in good faith. No one is obligated to go through that social stress, and frankly it’s probably easier for most to just physically fight right-wing zealots.

          • @ambidexterity@lemmy.world
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            -618 hours ago

            Medical standards groups have our interests at heart even if medical companies do not

            Why would they have our interests at heart?

            trans people exist

            Obviously

            and have a right to live how they like

            Depends on what they like.

            Children have a right to some self-determination

            Nah, they don’t

            All people deserve affordable health care and affordable housing, regardless of their race, religion, or background

            Why? What did they do to deserve this? And why do we ignore religion/race/background? IMO there are no “all people”. Shinto japanese and Arab Muslim are two ontologically different objects like a rock and a stick. We have no reasons to treat them equally.

            Criminals deserve to be treated as human beings. Jails directly stand in opposition to that

            How are human beings treated? What is your solution? Abolish jails?

            • @JayDee@lemmy.sdf.org
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              517 hours ago

              And your disagreement on this demonstrates why you’re gonna get decked by leftists instead of talked to.

    • queermunist she/her
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      262 days ago

      Not an excuse for mystification.

      Also I’m pretty sure most right wing people consider themselves “moderate” or “independent” anyway so it’s not like they’ll feel attacked if we correctly blame the right for its crimes

      • @beejboytyson@lemmy.world
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        112 days ago

        Can confirm. Interview a con for my class and he was dead set that he’s a centrist. Did have a single left opinion.