The fifth amendment only requires due process for capital crimes. Being in the country illegally is not a capital crime, and being deported does not permanently bar you from re-entry.
There are two ways to become a citizen in the United States:
By birth
By naturalization
Both are attested by government certificates. Do you really think the government does not have access to those records? If someone is not found in either of those, what are the chances that they have a valid claim to citizenship?
The government checking a database for records and ensuring those are correct and in line with the information the accused has (via a judicial body), IS DUE PROCESS.
What are the chances? This isn’t the fucking casino, it’s people’s legal rights, which are also YOUR legal rights, and they are proved by evidence, not odds.
Not giving someone due process, means they don’t have to look at those government documents (and they haven’t been in several cases and admitted it). That means YOU, they can refuse to look at your ID or say it is fake, refuse to let you prove it in court- THAT’S DUE PROCESS
NONE of this, and I can’t emphasize this enough, is about these people’s actual legal citizenship status or not, so your first two points are mind-numbingly bad. Whether you get your day in court is how we determine ANYTHING in this country so we MUST grant it, or else they own your body and self and can just kidnap you anywhere, literally.
The government checking a database for records and ensuring those are correct and in line with the information the accused has (via a judicial body), IS DUE PROCESS.
Okay, so when ICE goes to arrest people for whom they have no immigration records, they’ve already done their due process then, haven’t they. Glad we agree here.
A child born in the United States, … becomes at the time of his birth a citizen
of the United States, by virtue of the first clause of the Fourteenth
Amendment of the Constitution, “All persons born or naturalized in the
United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of
the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
That 14th amendment is unqualified. The paper is a bureaucratic expediency.
I invite you to try to find case law that reaches the opposite conclusion.
We doin law by statistical probability? What are the odds their kid flushed their papers down the toilet that morning. They just SOL?
There’s a process for determining citizenship and “that tattooed guy with brown skin looks illegal. Send him to the torture slave camp” aint it champ. He even had his papers. Try again.
You dodged the actual point tho. people are owed due process and the presumption of innocence and snap jusgements are instead being made on the color of people’s skin. And again, that football player they sent to el salvador had a fucking greencard, he was a legal resident.
this isnt nazi germany pal, you dont just go up to people and demand their papers and then send them to a fucking camp whether they have them or not.
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
I’m not sure you understand what the word nor means.
Deporting someone isn’t depriving them of life or liberty unless they are certain to be incarcerated the moment they arrive. Which, I suppose, would be the case for those folks that were shipped off to El Salvador, but for the majority of deportees, it isn’t.
There are people here seeking asylum for threats of gang violence against them. Depriving someone of their safe refuge is depriving someone of liberty. Do you think those people should be sent back to their countries?
Well it doesn’t matter what you think because that already happened.
Seeking asylum isn’t illegal, and those with a pending petition are not considered illegal immigrants. Until a decision is made, they have temporary protected status.
Crossing the border without permission OTH IS illegal and subject to deportation. It’s not that difficult.
I’m assuming you are conveniently ignoring Trump’s executive orders that severely limited options for seeking asylum and instead are asking people to search innumerable records to distract from the inhumanity of your position?
Can’t deport asylum seekers if seeking asylum is illegal after all.
May those who find themselves with the power to judge your fate have the mercy and compassion you so clearly lack.
This doesn’t include the random hair dresser or the guy who they admit shouldn’t have been deported at all and wasn’t illegal but won’t get him back anyway
Sure until they decide you no longer have your temporary protected status. It doesn’t even matter if you’re a citizen, you have an autism awareness tattoo? Have fun in El Salvador
A petition for asylum does not HAVE to be accepted. Once it’s been denied, you do indeed lose your status, and you’re generally expected to leave the country.
But tell me, please, how many of those who have been deported by Trump had a pending petition for asylum that was ignored?
The fifth amendment only requires due process for capital crimes. Being in the country illegally is not a capital crime, and being deported does not permanently bar you from re-entry.
Tell me, how do they determine if you actually are a citizen or not without due process?
There are two ways to become a citizen in the United States:
Both are attested by government certificates. Do you really think the government does not have access to those records? If someone is not found in either of those, what are the chances that they have a valid claim to citizenship?
Do you not know what “due process” is, then?
The government checking a database for records and ensuring those are correct and in line with the information the accused has (via a judicial body), IS DUE PROCESS.
What are the chances? This isn’t the fucking casino, it’s people’s legal rights, which are also YOUR legal rights, and they are proved by evidence, not odds.
Not giving someone due process, means they don’t have to look at those government documents (and they haven’t been in several cases and admitted it). That means YOU, they can refuse to look at your ID or say it is fake, refuse to let you prove it in court- THAT’S DUE PROCESS
NONE of this, and I can’t emphasize this enough, is about these people’s actual legal citizenship status or not, so your first two points are mind-numbingly bad. Whether you get your day in court is how we determine ANYTHING in this country so we MUST grant it, or else they own your body and self and can just kidnap you anywhere, literally.
You’re a fucking idiot.
Okay, so when ICE goes to arrest people for whom they have no immigration records, they’ve already done their due process then, haven’t they. Glad we agree here.
No, that’s NOT due process.
Just admit you don’t know the phrase.
You just said that it was. I literally quoted you.
No, you didn’t.
That’s not what due process is. Please, get lead chelation therapy asap
Show me where I misquoted you.
And while I’m at it, suppose someone is born in the US but not in a hospital. They’d have the claim but not the papers to show. Fuck 'em?
Believe it or not, there is a process for that.
https://www.usbirthcertificates.com/articles/how-to-get-birth-certificate-for-babies-born-outside-hospital
https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladviceofftopic/comments/195i7tv/how_do_children_not_born_in_hospitals_get_birth/
cool great, but those are voluntary processes and the birthright is a right by birth (5head), not by paperwork.
Birthright is not an excuse for not filing the required paperwork.
It’s not required. You have birthright from being born. This question was settled in 1898:
UNITED STATES v. WONG KIM ARK
That 14th amendment is unqualified. The paper is a bureaucratic expediency.
I invite you to try to find case law that reaches the opposite conclusion.
We doin law by statistical probability? What are the odds their kid flushed their papers down the toilet that morning. They just SOL?
There’s a process for determining citizenship and “that tattooed guy with brown skin looks illegal. Send him to the torture slave camp” aint it champ. He even had his papers. Try again.
If the kid flushed down the papers they’ll still be the government database, won’t they.
You dodged the actual point tho. people are owed due process and the presumption of innocence and snap jusgements are instead being made on the color of people’s skin. And again, that football player they sent to el salvador had a fucking greencard, he was a legal resident.
this isnt nazi germany pal, you dont just go up to people and demand their papers and then send them to a fucking camp whether they have them or not.
Can’t tell if you’re a lying fascist or uninformed
I’m not sure you understand what the word nor means.
Deporting someone isn’t depriving them of life or liberty unless they are certain to be incarcerated the moment they arrive. Which, I suppose, would be the case for those folks that were shipped off to El Salvador, but for the majority of deportees, it isn’t.
There are people here seeking asylum for threats of gang violence against them. Depriving someone of their safe refuge is depriving someone of liberty. Do you think those people should be sent back to their countries?
Well it doesn’t matter what you think because that already happened.
Seeking asylum isn’t illegal, and those with a pending petition are not considered illegal immigrants. Until a decision is made, they have temporary protected status.
Crossing the border without permission OTH IS illegal and subject to deportation. It’s not that difficult.
You realize part of seeking asylum also can involve crossing the border without permission and is codified in law?
How many of those deported by Trump did have a pending petition for asylum?
I’m assuming you are conveniently ignoring Trump’s executive orders that severely limited options for seeking asylum and instead are asking people to search innumerable records to distract from the inhumanity of your position?
Can’t deport asylum seekers if seeking asylum is illegal after all.
May those who find themselves with the power to judge your fate have the mercy and compassion you so clearly lack.
You didn’t answer my question.
Dozens so far, apparently: https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/trump-deported-238-venezuelans-el-salvador-dozens-have-active-asylum-cases-2025-04-01/
This doesn’t include the random hair dresser or the guy who they admit shouldn’t have been deported at all and wasn’t illegal but won’t get him back anyway
So, about 10% then
Sure until they decide you no longer have your temporary protected status. It doesn’t even matter if you’re a citizen, you have an autism awareness tattoo? Have fun in El Salvador
A petition for asylum does not HAVE to be accepted. Once it’s been denied, you do indeed lose your status, and you’re generally expected to leave the country.
But tell me, please, how many of those who have been deported by Trump had a pending petition for asylum that was ignored?