As users flee from Twitter/X, two visions of social media's future compete: Mastodon's community-controlled network versus Bluesky's venture-backed promises. The difference isn't just technical—it's about whether we'll finally break free from the profit-driven cycle that has degraded every major social platform.
All true. And yet sadly until mastodon or better say another fediverse instance do have algorithms and a brain dead stupid onboarding and hyper cool phone apps, that will not do for 99% of the people.
There will always be two types of users: people looking to connect and people looking to be entertained. Fedi is better at the former and commercial better at the latter.
Yes absolutely, and that’s why I don’t think commercial social media will die. But I do think it will come to more be associated with activities gambling or vaping.
I was told something like this about an article I was pointing out wasn’t on page 1 of google, but was on virtually all other engines. “Unless it’s page 1 of google nobody cares”
And all I can say is “who cares? those aren’t the people it’s for”
I agree, I do the same. But the second part of your reply « who cares those aren’t the guys », years and years watching the fediverse trying to kickstart the whole thing proves it wrong . We, fediverse users, do need those people onboard
What “kickstart”? The fediverse isn’t a commercial venture. If we can connect with our friends and interests, it’s already “working”. I find fantastic new people here all the time, doing really niche stuff I’d never find on a platform focused on appealing to everyone.
If “99%” of people aren’t on it, that’s perfectly acceptable, and just makes it easier for the ones on it to find and talk to their friends. I don’t think we need or want the vast torrent of spammers, downvote bots, and “influencer” types who use whatever gives them clicks.
Fediverse can’t sustain many niche communities with its level of activity. Even gaming communities on lemmy don’t have enough traffic to constitute communities for individual games. I can’t do after-episode TV discussions on Lemmy because there wouldn’t be enough people commenting to warrant it. If I wanted to search for a D&D game in my local community (a huge US city), I couldn’t do it via Lemmy.
I can do all this on reddit, which I intend for Lemmy to replace, but I can’t do that yet. So I still crawl reddit for the needs Lemmy can’t replace, but I’d rather never have to open reddit in the first place.
Same is true for every alternative platform on Fediverse. I’m still using all the mainstream apps I intend to replace.
I don’t see why, it’s simple as much as I enjoy the fediverse ideology the current status of this part of internet show how little it is relevant the the vast majority of people. And yet it’s a good thing to allow both fediverse purists and ones that don’t care connecting with the « others » social networks live together.
It’s still worth it to red-pill people of the harms these algorithms cause and accept smaller network sizes that exclude people who refuse to “quit smoking” so to speak.
All true. And yet sadly until mastodon or better say another fediverse instance do have algorithms and a brain dead stupid onboarding and hyper cool phone apps, that will not do for 99% of the people.
There will always be two types of users: people looking to connect and people looking to be entertained. Fedi is better at the former and commercial better at the latter.
I would argue the latter group, searching entertainment, also known as “lurkers” are always the bigger group.
Yes absolutely, and that’s why I don’t think commercial
socialmedia will die. But I do think it will come to more be associated with activities gambling or vaping.I was told something like this about an article I was pointing out wasn’t on page 1 of google, but was on virtually all other engines. “Unless it’s page 1 of google nobody cares”
And all I can say is “who cares? those aren’t the people it’s for”
I agree, I do the same. But the second part of your reply « who cares those aren’t the guys », years and years watching the fediverse trying to kickstart the whole thing proves it wrong . We, fediverse users, do need those people onboard
What “kickstart”? The fediverse isn’t a commercial venture. If we can connect with our friends and interests, it’s already “working”. I find fantastic new people here all the time, doing really niche stuff I’d never find on a platform focused on appealing to everyone.
If “99%” of people aren’t on it, that’s perfectly acceptable, and just makes it easier for the ones on it to find and talk to their friends. I don’t think we need or want the vast torrent of spammers, downvote bots, and “influencer” types who use whatever gives them clicks.
Fediverse can’t sustain many niche communities with its level of activity. Even gaming communities on lemmy don’t have enough traffic to constitute communities for individual games. I can’t do after-episode TV discussions on Lemmy because there wouldn’t be enough people commenting to warrant it. If I wanted to search for a D&D game in my local community (a huge US city), I couldn’t do it via Lemmy.
I can do all this on reddit, which I intend for Lemmy to replace, but I can’t do that yet. So I still crawl reddit for the needs Lemmy can’t replace, but I’d rather never have to open reddit in the first place.
Same is true for every alternative platform on Fediverse. I’m still using all the mainstream apps I intend to replace.
The mass protests against Threads leads me to believe that is actually the opposite of the truth.
Well that’s actually a great thing: many instances will defederate/block thread, some will federate. Freedom of choice
Ok but that contradicts your previous comment
I don’t see why, it’s simple as much as I enjoy the fediverse ideology the current status of this part of internet show how little it is relevant the the vast majority of people. And yet it’s a good thing to allow both fediverse purists and ones that don’t care connecting with the « others » social networks live together.
It’s still worth it to red-pill people of the harms these algorithms cause and accept smaller network sizes that exclude people who refuse to “quit smoking” so to speak.