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There’s something about Bluesky I just don’t quite like. I have an account, sometimes (rarely) I use it. But for example today I wanted to share a short video with a friend. I send him the link - “only logged in users can see this post (OP himself set this option)” ok, weird but let me download the vid and send him - “nope can’t do that”
They literally added some frontend bullshit to not allow you to download a freaking video. When you Inspect it with developer tools it shows a button… If you try saving it with right clicking it will save the thumbnail instead… I know there are probably easy-ish workarounds but this sort of instagram closedness pisses me off.
Meanwhile in Mastodon I right click and save video as…
I also don’t like the underlying complexity of how decentralization is supposed to work there. That being said, if the choice is between twitter, threads or bluesky, please use bluesky.
I prefer Mastodon, though.
because bluesky wants to be a walled garden. they still operate under the same metrics as every other social media platform because their value comes from keeping you on the platform as much and as long as possible and tracking everything you do on it. they can’t do that if you aren’t logged in and views from external users aren’t as valuable as logged in users.
mastodon doesn’t care about any of that. it works off the principles of the open internet.
Mastodon.
💪😎✌️
I tried Bluesky. I noticed two overwhelming trends that led to my hasty departure:
Wishful thinking left-wing politics. Encouraging people to pretend like how things ought to be is how things are, and to act accordingly. This is lazy and disastrous thinking, both because it overlooks the real systemic change that needs to happen to get to where you want to be. Though, in fairness, there is quite a bit of this on Lemmy too.
Extremely popular poster who spent their entire careers making the Trump presidency a certainly trying to back pedal on Trump specifically. No mention of their awful ideas they still keep and spread that lead to such an outcome. Lots of thumbs up and people saying “see, they get it” while also not connecting the dots, as if Project 2025 fell from the sky and wasn’t the product of decades of effort.
It’s an idiot convention.
I find it rather strange you say this. Bluesky was on the receiving end of a major artist exodus from Twatter. With them came all the progressive ideals that they’re known for. A lot of gay, trans, and otherwise queer individuals who are either artists themselves or follow artists they feel safe with. Certainly not the kind of people who are satisfied with the status quo.
Beyond that, the fact that Bsky came up out of nowhere and ate Mastodon’s lunch around that time just reeks of hostility to me.
If something can come out of nowhere and dominate a already established platform… That platform probably already sucked to begin with.
Completely, vastly different scenarios, so not a good comparison. Bluesky was VC-funded with $billions, headed by the same guy as Twitter originally. Mastodon was started by one guy in his spare(?) time, has never accepted VC money, and was and is specifically designed to avoid the toxic trends from Twitter.
I didn’t say people there were satisfied with the status quo. I said they had fantasy-based thinking instead of actionable plans and, for some reason, are letting the GOP sane-wash itself so long as they blame what they did on Trump. Both of those actions are quite anti-status quo. They’re also really, really stupid.
That’s the same everywhere. Like here, like on Reddit, like in real life, people have ideas and then say “won’t somebody do something about it!”
Everyone likes to imagine doing something but nobody actually wants to do anything.
Anecdotal example; the beginning of this year proved that Discord is in bed with supplying profiling training model data to ICE in the United States. That made me want to nope the fuck out. Why stick around where every word you write will contribute to the ability for fascist agents to shoot their next victim? Tear apart the next family?
So me and a friend set ourselves to build an as-close-as-possible drop-in replacement Matrix server for all our Discord friends.
Nobody came.
Fucking nobody came.
Everyone recognises the problem, but when it comes to taking a simple action, a dead easy simple action like make an account on a server owned by a friend they’ve known for a very long time, all we got were excuses. “But nobody else is moving”, “maybe I’ll consider moving when it gets even worse”, “I just wish somebody would do something…”
So it’s not Bluesky. It’s humanity.
by the time they scrolled by, the issue popped out of existence
So, exactly like Twitter. The problem is not the platform, the problem is people.
Nah Twitter is Elons personal social media where he ran the normies off so he can grift crypto with his army of bots.
Twitter was a shit hole the second it launched.
It just became a bigger shit hole when the Nazi bought it.
Twitter has always sucked. It’s almost entirely responsible for the reason we have such a need for immediate information. There is no patience anymore or even reputable journalism and reporting because being first is more important than being right.
The reason the media is as shit as it is now is almost directly causes by Twitter. It should have been shut down years ago.
Amen.
liberal/left can’t seen to understand why they keep losing… but then makes no legit effort to like have a actionable plan for any of their political goals.
And if you suggest such actions/plan/pragmatic thinking, you’re basically voted off the liberal ‘happy think only’ island.
I’ve been left-wing I feel like for 25 years, but the entire time I left the politics was moving away from me. As much as the right parodies the left as being elitist and out of touch and delusional… it’s like the left now actively embraces that vision of themselves and actively pursues it.
Here in Brazil, during our dictatorship, we had a 2-party system, ARENA, the “yes” party and MDB, which was the “yes sir” party. Feels like USA isn’t too far off
You don’t need a plan, you just need to fucking vote. Not that hard.
This is 100% the wrongminded mentality we are talking about. We need systemic change to how we vote. We need politicians with actionable plans worth voting for. We need people who understand how voting ACTUALLY works in this country. But nah, man, just fucking vote! That’s the solution!!1!
What are you voting for if there’s no plan? Gut feeling? I like that guy?
How is that acceptable, a person who’s not even able to make up a plan is definitely not fit for government.
without a plan there is nothing to vote for. why would anyone vote for the status quo that the left/liberals so viciously defend?
I just removed the Discover feed and stick to For You or Mutuals. Much more pleasant experience.
Bluesky is great because you can make your own algo or go with one that isn’t meant to keep you on the platform forever.
Mastodon is still my favorite, though.
That being said: I hardly use either, these days. I pop on, check statuses for people I care about, then I’m off. I don’t engage in banter or get into arguments. It’s way better than the other social platforms for this reason. …but it won’t get that same terminally online user base because it doesn’t seem coded to do that, thankfully.
I recently discovered wafrn, which is fediverse software that lets you directly interact with both the Fediverse and Bluesky.
Also it has lots of fun easter eggs like this button in the settings
I heart Wafrn, it’s the main way I interact with the micro-blog portion of the Fediverse, and its community has been overall great. One of my favorite parts is no character limit to posts, plus its great to be able to post & follow on Bluesky without needing a separate account or app there. Good stuff.
What’s that referencing? Unless there’s something specific about the phrase, that would bug me because dice are plural, haha. By the way, does the button actually do anything?
Dice, die, both actually work as singular and/or plural because english is a mess.
The prescriptivists weren’t happy with this one
I’ve actually seen quite a few people and organizations moving back to Twitter. While these are just a few anecdotes, I suspects there’s a trend. I can’t explain it.
There is no functional difference between Bluesky and Twtitter. At least Mastodon is decentralized
Something that clearly doesn’t resonate with mainstream social media users at all.
bluesky sucks and has limited reach.
twitter is far more integrated and popular.
people want to reach people, they have to use the broadest platforms.
I have deleted my twitter account since elon bought it. How integrated has it been in my life that I havent noticed? What does it actually integrate with?
twitter is far more integrated and popular with fash.
I’m sorry, but isn’t it Xitter now?
it’s twitter. always has been, always will be.
I just treat it like the X close this window button anymore.
I’m just don’t really find the Twitter experience to be all that much use. I was never a big Twitter user anyway.
My town has a bulletin board posted adjacent to the sidewalk near the post office. It’s labeled “The Town Cryer” and fliers for local events, businesses etc. get posted there.
That is what I see the Twitter/microblog format as useful for. It’s for stand up comics and musical acts to post “come see us LIVE at the Somewhere Dome in Citytown This Saturday a 8/7c.” Or for ISPs to post “Service interruption in the Carolinas, repairs underway, expect service to resume at 9 pm.”
Other than that and it’s just All Old Men Yell At Cloud.
but yelling at the cloud slows the hard drives
That is crazy I’m not going back to twitter.
Yes, go forward to Mastodon.
This might be a bit of a hot take but I do visit Bluesky more than Lemmy, there’s more activity there & it’s less of an echo chamber, Bluesky still is a bit of an echo chamber I guess but not as much Lemmy can be, also some of the niches I like aren’t on Lemmy. I do hope Lemmy gets more users & Activity, it’d be a bit more comfortable to use.
I also wish lemmy had more users, and preferably more diverse users.
it’s less of an echo chamber
Just different echoes.
They keep banning japanese artists, let that app rot.
First ive heard that, any idea why?
Underaged looking gooner characters. Not a big loss if you ask me.
Lol can’t they just stay on the CSAM social media, Twitter?
Well, technically Twatter doesn’t want them either. It’s filled with rich pedos, but since it’s technically against their policies, you still have to get banned.
Making memes about how unfair it is that your flat chested little girl behaving immature looking adult artwork is regarded as pedo content is still allowed, though. Or at least was. I dunno. Left Twatter quickly when Elon bought it.
It’s not CSAM no matter how much you try to push it.
Yea, good luck with that argument bud. Enjoy your lolis. Disgusting.
I’m just correcting your disinfo campaign.
I tried Bluesky before I found Lemmy. I really wanted to like it but after a few months I decided it wasn’t for me. It’s got a chicken-or-egg problem and you need to bring your own fanbase if want to have any interaction.
I never liked Twitter and don’t feel it’s a particularly good model for actual socializing. I think it was created back when people were still hacking together ideas, it sort of worked, and it hasn’t changed much since.
It’s great for disseminating stuff, terrible at creating space for discussion.
The founders seem like a bunch of young ultra-capitalists who sensed an opening in the market and are just shooting their shot. The app reflects this in subtle ways.
Yeah I just can’t really get into any of the twitter like platforms.
The big problem is it’s really hard to have a conversation you can reply to someone and they can reply to you but the UI does not lend itself well to having a multi-person conversation, so at the moment you try and involve more than two people it just becomes a mess.
Plus I cannot stand with the fact that when somebody quotes a comment their response is placed above the original quote. Meaning I always read them out of order and don’t understand it until I remember that I need to read it bottom to top and now it makes sense.
Yeah. I also think it’s quite a bad platform for sharing ideas and discussing them, when compared to the reddit/lemmy model. As you mention, there’s no real threading of usefulness, and the posts have to be too short to really share a complex idea. And even if you do share ideas, it is unlikely to reach people who are interested in these ideas, unless you stick to a single topic for your posts. And that means you also can’t find ideas that interest you as easily. Generally you get a hodgepodge of stuff, some of which is interesting, but much of which isn’t.
These platforms have always seemed to be a vanity thing of who can garner the most likes and make viral quips but that actually most people are constantly posting and doing very little interacting with the content of others. It’s a social network for narcissists rather than those interested in ideas IMO.
It struck me that the only way to have “real” idea exchange was to use the Bluesky / Twitter posts as pointers to other content - which pretty seriously hampers the whole back-and-forth aspect of a discussion.
Well said. It’s almost as bad as YouTube. At least twitter sort of has nesting (wherein yt doesn’t), but it’s still just about impossible to comprehend when 3 or more people are conversing.
I never really participated in Twitter, actively deleted my X account when it was created for me.
I did try a little on Bluesky, but felt like the whole thing was a goad to get you to self-promote. If you don’t say popular things, nobody will read anything you say kind of thing. Anytime I would post I felt myself sub-consciously gauging “what’s this going to do for/to my visibility profile, will I gain or lose followers?” F that. I have better things to do with my life than worry about people I don’t know adding me to their circle or putting my account on block lists.
Xitter is loosing users too. So where are people going? Threads?
Or is the format becoming less relevant?
»TikTok« aka vertical short video. Even Loops is growing! - But yes, also Threads, Reddit etc.
I’ve heard so many stories like mine of people like me getting permanently banned from Reddit. It’s a real bummer bc I truly enjoyed being able to find a wide range of discourse. I’m surprised/disappointed I haven’t figured out a long term workaround yet.
getting purged early last year and trying to get new accounts was extremely difficult they seem to have laid off on the intese purges. someone confirmed that you can make another acc after a while(you would be careful not to use the same browser ,ip)
Thanks for the tip! So if I typically use Safari on my phone, then there’s a decent chance that using chrome on my phone will be effective? This would be surprising to me because I’ve always thought they simply use the IP address to connect accounts…
i mostly use lemmy now. i only visit niche subs, to avoid the larger ones.
It’s called Lemmy. Check it out. 🤪
or just bots shutting off
could be because dont allow post edits or dislikes
I keep forgetting vluesky exists…
Once you know the right way out in Federated servers, there is no need to turn back to the next big corp
I haven’t logged in in probably a year
