How disappointed we will all be when all the boomers are dead and it doesn’t solve any of our problems.
We’ll just have to see, won’t we?
Plus, it’s not like the climate will just snap back into place when the boomers are finally too old for their skeleton talons to cling to power. That shit is going to take generations of sacrifice to roll back, if it doesn’t topple civilization first.
The whole ethos of the majority of baby boomers seems to have been to raze the forest they got to enjoy behind them (as opposed to planting trees whose shade they’d never sit in like most generations aspire to), and they seem to be having remarkable success in that.
thats the ethos you project onto boomers, not the ethos boomers live by.
The results speak for themselves. The majority of their generation’s attitudes about the results indicate satisfaction with the results.
Not true. You dont know what they think or feel
Keanu reeves is so close to and so engrained in gen x culture that I think it’s unfair to label him a boomer
Popular comments like this remind me how mature the user base is here. Such a contrast to other social media
Shame the damage they did won’t go with them.
Gentle reminder that the whole generations thing is made up.
But true that many of these folks and older hold high positions of power, which is probably the cause for the clock.
The problem isnt going to end with them. My right wing friends are completely indoctrinated by their boomer parents. And getting louder and louder about it.
They’ll be outnumbered after the boomers are gone. They’ll either have to adapt, hide back in the shadows, or go full extremist.
Here’s to hoping. It’s exhausting. I can’t have a single conversation without them slyly trying to slip in some earworm or go off on a tirade unexpectedly because I inadvertently trigger them.
Here’s to hoping. It’s exhausting. I can’t have a single conversation without them slyly trying to slip in some earworm or go off on a tirade unexpectedly because I inadvertently trigger them.
It’s worth the effort though. Thank you, citizen, for taking the time to do so.
I love how many people are going on about how one generation isn’t the cause of all our problems. I agree. Neither the post nor the website say anything good nor bad about any generation, just that it’s -mildly interesting- that boomers just hit 1/3 dead.
No other arbitrary age cohort has been so unjustly hated in American history
No other age cohort has been responsible for caring for the earth for the time they were adults and done such a horrific job. In the US, the cherry on top is also that this generation kicked everything their parents generation fought for into the dirt, including most of the social safety net, because of a bunch of dumb conservative rhetoric.
I think it is pretty fair as far as generalizations go, though of course it is a generalization. Boomers get all defensive with the “but you shouldn’t just blame a whole generation!” even though blaming millennials seems to be a major policy point for a lot of boomers… but they just don’t get it. The boomer generation will be remembered for literally thousands of years for being the generation that was adults in power when climate change was pushed into an unstoppable momentum, biodiversity catastrophically crashed, and the priceless gift of earth that has been handed down to every generation was dealt a massive amount of damage that will reverberate for again, literally thousands of years at the minimum.
Boomers think I am attacking them in an us vs. them mentality, it is unfortunately so much bigger than a petty fight between generations though. Boomers aren’t just another generation that will be largely forgotten a century or two from now, and it is a massive understatement to say the time they were stewards of the earth will not be remembered kindly by future generations.
It must be weird judging a whole generation based only on what you know from learning about via social media.
Wait, why do you consider learning about things initially through social media a bad thing?
Sure there is a ton of nonsense and outright lies out there, but social media is also unarguably a massive source of education for people on a dizzying array of topics. Look at how silly but genuine ADHD tiktok or instagram accounts have massively raised awareness about ADHD for the better as only one example. Look at /r/ADHD as a huge source of good information and discussion for people with ADHD as another. The existence of social media has irrevocably raised the voices of the oppressed in a way TV and newspapers aren’t really interested in doing except for the odd anomaly that gets through the filter of the rich.
sigh whatever…
Wait, why do you consider learning about things initially through social media a bad thing?
Sure there is a ton of nonsense and outright lies out there
You answered your own question.
For the record, I’m distinguishing between “Social Media” and “the Internet”. The former is for entertainment, and the latter is for learning/knowledge.
No other arbitrary age cohort has been so unjustly hated in American history
You talking about Boomers, or Gen-Xers?
mildly interesting- that boomers just hit 1/3 dead.
I do wonder about the accuracy of that though. It’s not like the website owner went through every death certificate ASAIK.
That’s how statistics work. You take a sample and abstract it to the population. If you required every one to be checked, then no numbers of any sort would be made up because that’s too much work.
That’s how statistics work. You take a sample and abstract it to the population. If you required every one to be checked, then no numbers of any sort would be made up because that’s too much work.
Yeah sure, I’m aware of how statistics work. I’m just not confident that they are interpreting the statistics correctly.
2039 is the half-life of the boomer generation, assuming all of them were born in 1964 and will live exactly 75 years
That’s not what half-life means. Half-life comes from radioactive decay and is the time for half the atoms in a sample to decay. After half the atoms have decayed it takes another half-life for half the remaining atoms (a quarter of the original sample) to decay. There’s some fancy maths you can do to convert a sample size of 85 million with a half-life of 75 years into the time it takes for the last atom to decay but at an estimation of about 27 half-lives that’s 2025 years.
Maybe that’s the real problem with boomers: their multi-thousand year lifespan!!
Who the fuck put keeanu in there?
Just checked, wow he’s technically a Boomer! Born in 1964, so just made it.
That’s…not even close to a Boomer. WW2 ended 20 years earlier lol.
I don’t understand, are you confused at the age range for Boomers? It literally says it in the image…
Yes. Didn’t notice those dates. Still makes no sense if you take the name literally though…
Yes. Didn’t notice those dates. Still makes no sense if you take the name literally though…
You’re wrong chronologically, but you’re right based on how those labels are used to judge people’s social values.
So it takes 20 years for a sexed up WW2 vet to hop in the sack after returning from the war?
So it takes 20 years for a sexed up WW2 vet to hop in the sack after returning from the war?
Fuck if I know, that’s not what I’m speaking about.
You don’t pop out of your mother’s womb already programmed to have an understanding of the socieity that you live in. You learn as you go from external sources (parents, family, society) and you act a certain way at each milestone of your life (child, young teenager, older teenager, young adult, adult, middle aged, senior).
When we all judge someone by applying a generation label its done based on how they act/opine, and not the chronological date that they entered the World. There’s a lag/delay from when a person starts to exist on this Earth to the time they form a personality and express said personality.
I don’t understand, are you confused at the age range for Boomers? It literally says it in the image…
I get where they’re coming from.
The starting point is normally defined at the time you came out of your mother’s womb, but it really shouldn’t be.
It should be started at the point where you first enter society as a child, and start learning your generation’s societal values.
Basically, when you started kindergarten, or Elementary School.
Just checked, wow he’s technically a Boomer! Born in 1964, so just made it.
The identifier should be started at the age you entered society, and not the age you came out of your mother’s womb.
You can infer the age you entered society from the age you left the womb.
You can infer the age you entered society from the age you left the womb.
That doesn’t work. Technically I’m a Boomer, but I act and think completely like a Gen-Xer.
In fact growing up I used to give Boomers crap myself, until I got more wise. They acted completely different from me, based on the times they grew up in.
I guess technically he’s a boomer, but he’s 1000% gen x. He doesn’t make moves like a boomer would.
I guess technically he’s a boomer, but he’s 1000% gen x.
The identifier should be started at the age you entered society, and not the age you came out of your mother’s womb.
What kind of psycopath counts generation death as a good thing. All interesting humans dead and you take it as an achievement.
Stop crying on the past. Stop blaming past on generations. Start learning from past generation mistakes, and thank them for having you.
Because as a new generation we’re going to make a lot of mistakes, who knows if more or less than the past generations. And we shouldn’t be blamed in the future.
Blaming the past generations and not learning from them is a childish response. Start doing something productive and useful to society, blaming is not helping.
Stop having tantrums and grow up. And thank you have past generations otherwise you would have to create all we have now from scratch.
It’s like saying “Newton dumb” because his work is old and it doesn’t work correctly for all physical frames, not like Einstein his work is much better. Both are as good because they lived at different times with different technology, knowledge, society, etc.
This feels like explaining basic life knowledge to a 3 year old tbh.
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This is a neutral post and it isn’t anti-boomer per se.
It’s a little disingenuous to say that though .
How is presented to us, in this Lemmy post, isn’t really neutral though, it leans towards one point of view.
Kiddies who can’t think beyond the “us vs them” mentality but also think that all old people are bad, like that’s not as insane a generalisation as saying “all people of X race/sexuality/whatever are bad”. Human brains love trying to put everything in categories and labels, especially other humans.
also think that all old people are bad
Not many people actually believe this. It’s more that statistically it’s better for the country as more old people die. My boomer parents are progressive, but the generation by and large is holding us back. Of course the electoral college is part of the problem as well.
Ok so when that generation is dead, how does that fix the musk, Bezos, chesky, Zuckerberg problem exactly? We’re still stuck with them. They are still doing far more damage.
With more progressive voting comes more chances at holding billionaires accountable. Boomers vote GOP who gives tax breaks to the rich.
And yet somehow the younger generations are powerless to stop the evil boomers when they have the political numerical superiority to make the changes they want now…
Get out and vote. Run for office - local politics is where you start - get involved. Be that change.
******And always remember that one day YOU will become the hated generation that is standing in the way of progress.
Get out and vote. Run for office - local politics is where you start - get involved. Be that change.
It really just comes down to this.
But it takes more effort to do so, than comment on an Internet forum.
I have served in local politics and public safety but my time is long past. It’s well past time the next generations start to run things and I’m tired of waiting.
Boomers vote GOP who gives tax breaks to the rich.
Generalizations 4TW! /s
Every generation can see right from wrong. The problem is we’re not all agreeing on what is right and what is wrong.
Yeah, not like boomers blame millenials or gen Z for everything. Oh wait.
I’m guessing no “boomer” ever told you that bit about two wrongs?
Oh wow. Aesop, tell us another fable!
Oh wow. Aesop, tell us another fable!
Are you actually mocking knowledge?
Yeah, not like boomers blame millenials or gen Z for everything. Oh wait.
Maybe we should stop dividing up into age tribes and attacking each other?
The problems we face affect every age in the same way.
Boomers were hated by their elders for being too liberal and hated by their youngers for being to conservative.
They got more conservative as they got older. All those hippie kids who protested Vietnam and experimented with drugs and sex ended up voting for Reagan.
People seem to have this view that everyone in the '60s was a hippie but that’s just not true. Time Magazine put the number around 300,000. In a country of 200 million, that’s only 0.15% of the population. They were a counterculture not mainstream culture. The vast majority of kids did not become hippies, and many actively hated the hippies.
A hell of a lot more than 300,000 people experimented with drugs and protested Vietnam.
A hell of a lot more than 300,000 people experimented with drugs and protested Vietnam.
True, but not all of them were hippies.
A lot of regular people, especially the younger generation, were doing drugs and protesting Vietnam.
Those two things are not what makes a hippie a hippie. It’s their life view that does.
People seem to have this view that everyone in the '60s was a hippie but that’s just not true.
'60s, maybe not, but 70s? There was a lot more of them then.
But yeah, not everyone was.
Are you saying they took what they wanted, then pulled the ladder up after them?
It sure seems like they feel that way about social security.
It sure seems like they feel that way about social security.
We paid into it, we should be able to get the benefits from it, just like any other American in any other generation.
All those hippie kids who protested Vietnam and experimented with drugs and sex ended up voting for Reagan.
No, we didn’t. Also, inflation and Iranian hostage situation.
Just How stupid does one have to be to think all their woes exist with only one generation? There are far bigger monsters alive today in current younger generations (many in millennial) that are far more destructive to our lives and the earth. They’ve seen more $$$ than any boomer and will laugh at you while you live out of a garbage can.
And you’d still probably be posting stupid memes like this acting completely oblivious to the burning hell around you.
They don’t vote. Boomers always vote.
So stop whining and vote! Remember: You will ALWAYS be voting for the lesser of two evils.
Or write in someone you believe would actually be good at the job. Then you don’t have to vote for someone you believe to be unqualified.
…as long as choice #3 isn’t apocalyptically bad, right?
Right?
…as long as choice #3 isn’t apocalyptically bad, right?
Right?
That’s only true if everyone believes that, a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Would really be fantastic to see just once, one time, everyone interconnects on social media and agrees to vote on a third party, as an experiment if nothing else, to finally prove/disprove that theory.
Funny enough these newer generations have this communicative interconnectivity of the Internet available to them, that previous generations didn’t have, but they don’t seem to use it, instead they just share mene pics/vids, etc.
Could you imagine the political earthquake though if a third party actually won? Would be glorious to see.
The problem there isn’t that we (assuming the US) don’t want third parties, it’s that our voting system encourages party consolidation rather than cooperation. That only gets more true the higher in the government you go.
The problem there isn’t that we (assuming the US) don’t want third parties,
That’s not true. People don’t vote for third party because of the self-fulfilling prophecy, but it doesn’t mean they don’t want it. They also want ranked-choice voting.
I would advocate to put that self-fulfilling prophecy to the test, even if just as an experiment one time.
You will ALWAYS be voting for the lesser of two evils.
Unless you run for office yourself.
Then you’ll be the one getting called the lesser of two evils
Then you’ll be the one getting called the leader of two evils
It’s the violence inherited in the system. (And yes, that’s a Gen-X timeframe related quote (in a deep meta ironic sort of way)).
AKA, what goes around, comes around.
But still, it’s worth doing. Better to solve your own problems, versus waiting for somebody else to solve them for you.
well that’s fucking dark (and as others have pointed out, misguided - won’t solve a thing)
And as others have also pointed out, the website isn’t anything anti-boomer. It tracks each generation, and it’s just mildly interesting that boomers just hit 1/3.
And as others have also pointed out, the website isn’t anything anti-boomer. It tracks each generation, and it’s just mildly interesting that boomers just hit 1/3.
How it’s presented to us though in this Lemmy article does suggest that though.
On a tangent, I really hate how people who create Lemmy posts really bias the article they’re posting about in the title of the Lemmy post, sometimes to the point where the title doesn’t match the article they’re posting, or speaks about the title in just one/two sentences of a long article.
My mother is pre-Boomer (born soon after the U.S. entered the war) and has been incredibly progressive her entire life. She has never voted for a Republican. She marched for civil rights. She wanted me to know that women and men are equal and that color and religion and ethnicity should not make you dislike someone. She taught me about sex (appropriately) when I asked about it at 3 or 4 years old rather than shielding me from it. My brother and I both have (had in my case, but that’s another story) gay best friends who were also best man at both of our weddings. She always welcomed them even though my brother and his friend became friends in the mid-1980s. I remember asking my mother what she would do if I was gay and she said she would love me no matter what I was. I don’t specifically know her politics, but my dad, born even earlier (1931) was mostly the same way. He definitely had his prejudices- although he would deny it- and he was a lot more sexist than he thought he was, but he was also an outspoken socialist until the dementia got too bad for him to be outspoken about it. One of the last things I was able to tell him before he was too far gone to understand was that Bernie was running for president.
I have certainly had a lot of issues with Boomers and people older than them, but it is far from universal, but I am really proud of my parents for always being progressive.
I am really proud of my parents for always being progressive.
I hate the burst your bubble, but they weren’t being progressive, they were being 80’s liberals. Today’s progressives are a different thing.
(BTW, your comment was a good read.)
Again, my father was a socialist. He wrote a his dissertation on Shaw and the socialist aspects of one of his plays. He was British and said he was never more proud of his homeland then when he helped it usher in the National Health Service with his vote. When I moved here to Terre Haute, Indiana, he made sure to get me to take him to the Eugene V. Debs museum because of how much he admired debs. How does that make him an 80s liberal? Do please explain.
Again, my father was a socialist. He wrote a his dissertation on Shaw and the socialist aspects of one of his plays. He was British and said he was never more proud of his homeland then when he helped it usher in the National Health Service with his vote. When I moved here to Terre Haute, Indiana, he made sure to get me to take him to the Eugene V. Debs museum because of how much he admired debs. How does that make him an 80s liberal? Do please explain.
I was speaking of the word used as an identifier/label, ‘progressive’, vs ‘liberal’, and not the content of what was being said, at all. No disrespect was meant towards the comment, just a tongue-and-cheeck attempt at discussing the labels. As I mentioned before, concerning the content of your comment …
(BTW, your comment was a good read.)
When it comes to my comment discussing labels, today’s ‘liberal’ is considered a ‘centrist’ by today’s younger generations (which pisses me off to no end, but that’s another discussion for another time), and what they think of as liberal they call progressive, hence my comment.
And for the record (not trying to measure dicks here, but only because you quoted your dads history) I’m a Gen-Xer who was born/raised in the San Fernando Valley area of Los Angeles in the 70’s/80’s, a perverbial “Valley Dude”, and lived ‘in the capital of Liberalism’ the vast majority of my life. Liberalism of that day is not what Progressivism is today. I feel that I could be considered a ‘subject expert’ in a court case when it came to Liberals and Liberalism of that time.
I’m what world is this kind of pedantry useful?
I’m what world is this kind of pedantry useful?
In what world is this kind of verbal policing useful?
No need to be hostile.
Concerning your question, at the very least, my world. But I suspect most people can recognize a conversation comment about how different generations see things and identify them, for its own sake. You know, Lemmy is about conversations about subjects.
Many have spent decades wishing they were part of the boomers generation and its many benefits, BUT maybe the last laugh is that 1/3 of them are already dead while the lesser endowed generations that came after, especially Millennials and Gen Z are facing a future where aging and health issues may be a thing of the past.
are facing a future where aging and health issues may be a thing of the past.
or, just as if not more likely, are facing a future where healthcare is a thing of the past… along with civilization, the ecosystem, etc.
That is entirely possible, along with complete planet destruction but we have been worrying about the end since the beginning. I am more on the tech is going to solve a lot of issues in the coming decade headspace, but the transition to that place, may be very bumpy. Hard to say. Big change is coming though and all I know is I rather be alive to see it, especially longevity and thus I am glad I am not nearly end of life right now.
complete planet destruction ?
lost me there. complete ecosystem destruction for sure, but our ability to actually destroy the planet itself - eehhhh… the rock that birthed us will live long past our story.
we’re certainly in for a bumpy ride, I hope for the best but at this point, feel it’s disingenous to feign optimism.
Really, really big nukes? Idk lol
Or just around the remaining know thousands of them.
I mean it feels so utterly unlikely, yet we really do posses the power to eliminate or close to eliminate all life on this planet. When you look at who decides this and realize they could not decide if masks were good or bad for the spread of an airborne illness, there is more than a non zero chance we are going to destroy life on Earth. The planet of course as you stated will truly live on.
I agree that feignign optimism does feel disingenuous. The data trend is not optimistic.
