Just FYI, Tildes is run by one (1) dude with a full time job and a family. From what I read, the guy refers to himself as the God of Tildes or something to that effect which I think tells you everything you need to know about how it’s managed.
Don’t expect it to ever reach the popularity or capacity of Lemmy or Reddit.
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Isn’t Tildes the site responsible for the creation of Beehaw? As in a bunch of users had a disagreement with the admin and decided they would all leave Tildes and start their own place (with blackjack and hookers), eventually settling on Lemmy for the platform?
Is it even part of the Fediverse?
It’s not a federated platform.
The only federated Reddit alternatives are Lemmy and Kbin as far as I know. Would be cool if more implemented ActivityPub
I read that this was stated entirely as a joke, and I read that 2 months ago in the middle of people looking for pathetic excuses to not stop using reddit.
I thought Lemmy would have stopped propagating it without a source.
I thought Lemmy would have stopped propagating it without a source.
You must not be familiar with people then.
Wtf is tildes?
Another great alternative to Reddit. It’s also a non-profit.
Cool! Don’t care! Fuck Tildes. And I’m a longtime RIF user and Tildes alpha user. (And it’s still in alpha, years later…) It’s a weird ass place over there. Not too keen on their “private club” theme centered around the “God of Tildes” either.
While I prefer Lemmy more, I’m enjoying my time there.
Can you cite any examples of weird behavior centered around its admin? I don’t read Tildes enough to have noticed it, I guess.
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I’m also a Tildes alpha user, and while I don’t go there very often, I’m pretty surprised to see all this hate. Never had any issues with the site operator myself, nor have I heard about any issues. Can you elaborate?
I went and looked at tildes as a result of this, and it seems aggressively dead. Like, the fediverse is pretty dead and tildes makes it look positively thriving in comparison. Yeesh.
It’s been invite-only for a long while, so they can manage the userbase easier. I imagine that, plus the lack of support for visual content makes it challenging for engagement.
I used to be on there. It’s boring as fuck. Anything remotely fun is beneath them.
lack of support for visual content
That sounds amazing
What are you talking about, Lemmy is great and Matrix is absolutely thriving for things I care about.
Sure, Lemmy doesn’t have 300M users or whatever Reddit has, but that doesn’t mean it’s dead, it just means it’s small. Valuable discussion happens here, and it seems to be improving.
No shit you think it’s fine, you’re a techy linux weirdo. Good luck discussing like, musicals or tabletop roleplaying games or homemade moonshine or anything in that general vicinity of “niche” on here.
It’s small enough to literally have zero posts of a variety of topics, and that number isn’t improving. Get outside of your own circle every once in a while.
Well yeah, you are probably going though Reddit withdrawal. Comparing anything to Reddit and it’ll seem dead.
techy linux weirdo
Get outside of your own circle every once in a while
Not a fan of your incendiary language and provacatory flaming attempts, but pretty on-brand for refugees who misses Reddit like an ex. I mean, Reddit is still around and I’m sure they’ll take you back, just apologize and use the Official App™!
You’re an idiot. Also a techy linux weirdo, so I’m not surprised. Did you know other people have hobbies that do not involve Linux, and would like to be able to discuss them without someone like you bending themselves into a pretzel over how the Fediverse has no room for filthy casuals who don’t know what FOSS stands for. Gatekeep harder! This will surely save the fediverse from normies.
Relax man lol. It sounds like you’ve been through some shit on the Fediverse, but it has nothing to do with me. Project your anger elsewhere.
And I wish I’m a Linux techie so I can wipe my lonely tears away every night with cold hard cash.
Yes, the variety is certainly an issue. I do miss certain communities on Reddit.
It’s not to the point where I’d recommend it to my wife (she’s the opposite of a techy Linux weirdo), but it works for what I wanted Reddit for, which was tech news aggregation and a place to discuss games.
Maybe I’ll get around to trying to start some of the other niche communities I miss.
That said, you would probably have luck discussing tabletop gaming on one of the gaming communities here. I personally don’t play any (I’ve played one DND campaign and decided it wasn’t for me, open to trying again though), but I have coworkers who do, so maybe that’ll change.
That said, here are two that I really like here that I was surprised to find here that aren’t Linux or tech related:
- !bicycling@lemmy.ca
- !patientgamers@sh.itjust.works - are video games “techy”
But relatively niche things like musicals aren’t really a thing here, though I never felt much of a need to look for stuff like that. When I want to watch a play or musical, I generally look for expert reviews.
I do miss some subreddits for recommendations (especially “Buy it for Life” and related purchasing communities), but that’s usually a read-only thing for me so I just check back on Reddit as needed.
40-something sysadmins love both bicycles and video games, so I’m really not surprised. All of those “read-only” bits aren’t here and they aren’t moving, and nobody’s making them because the moderation tools are awful. Kbin doesn’t even have an API.
When I want to watch a play or musical, I generally look for expert reviews.
I generally look for the opinions of like, actual human beings with no skin in the game. Reviewers gotta say what they need to say to pay their bills. Reddit was great for stuff like that, or the semi-official subreddits of specific obscure headphone companies, vinyl record swapping, local-town-community type subreddits… Stuff this place seems like it will literally never have. It’s a shame.
Yup, I definitely used Reddit for the things you mentioned, except media like plays and movies (but strangely not games) where I still find value from professional critics.
And I’m not a 40-something sysadmin, I’m a 30-something software engineer (quite different), and I’m very much not interested in high end cycling gear (it’s transportation and exercise for me, not status and social connection). That community has a good mixture of both. Basically, it’s a mix of /r/bicycles, /r/cycling, and /r/bikecommuting, and is precisely what I wanted.
I do hope that mod tools get better. If I knew my way around the Reddit tools, I’d help build it, but I have very little idea if what’s wanted or needed.
Tildes is elitist. They don’t want the unwashed masses on their manicured lawn.
I think that’s an strong statement and overreaction on your part, but to that point mass adoption isn’t always a good thing.
I find that the content on Tildes are generally more respectful, thoughtful and higher quality. Much better signal to noise ratio. Lemmy does have quality stuff but there is also a lot more low quality / low effort content to wade through. Just look at the state of Showerthoughts / AskLemmy if you are looking for examples.
And the best part about Lemmy/Reddit is that I can look at that low effort content if I want (it’s a fun time waster) and ignore it if I don’t (I don’t sub to any large communities).
With Tildes, there’s fewer people so I have less to choose from.
And that’s totally fine. I have both and use both on a daily basis.
I just find it strange that people shitting on Tildes despite that it’s overall a healthy and well run community. We should really be glad that other communities are coming up, they are not mutually exclusive after all.
Absolutely! I just find Lemmy is more interesting to me than Tildes. I’m glad both exist, and I’m glad RIF supports both. Maybe I’ll give it another shot at some point.
The real issue with Reddit is a lack of real competition. Ideally, there would be several similar services and people would pick and choose between them. That way, if one goes down or otherwise becomes less attractive, there’s a backup to flock to that already has the capacity to take on those new users.
I’m glad RIF supports both
Does it? Last I heard, the dev had no intention of supporting Lemmy or Kbin any time soon.
Whenever I go over there it always feels like they just like to listen to themselves talk. :(
That’s exactly how I feel about Twitter and Facebook, so I avoid all of that. Reddit was great because there wasn’t really any benefit to getting “popular” on the platform, and Lemmy is scratching that itch for me as well.
I haven’t actually looked at Tildes seriously because when I first heard about it years ago, it just didn’t have much content and was invite only, so I bailed.
Lemmy is good enough for me, so I’m here. I could probably go through the effort of getting an account at Tildes and Lobsters, but that’s effort I should be spending not being on SM, so I just don’t bother. I go to SM to escape, and any barriers just remind me I should be doing something more productive.
Reddit was great because there wasn’t really any benefit to getting “popular” on the platform
Strongly disagree. The whole Karma / award / Gold system combined with algorithms ensures a certain type of posts are favored, and comments / discourse of certain type gets upvotes and visibility. There is a pattern under the most popular Reddit posts and comments and it’s not hard to see.
Lemmy has sort of a half-hearted voting system which I feel is actually beneficial to the experience and the fact there is no algorithm messing about is another big plus.
Sure, it favors types of posts, but not specific users. It still led to karma whoring having a certain value, but overall it seemed to have fewer of the problems of sites like Twitter and Facebook where followers matter. I’d rather have higher quality/popular content float to the top than popular contributors.
It certainly wasn’t perfect and I never claimed it was, but it was way better (for me) than most other social networks because people seemed a lot more genuine, especially on smaller subs (e.g. anything under 1M subs or so, preferably 50-100k).
And yeah, so far Lemmy’s solution seems to work well, and I guess we’ll see if the continues as it grows.
I agree about smaller subs, those are gold.
Sadly tildes is invite only it seems.
From what I can recall, you aren’t missing much. The power hungry admins are intense there.
It looks like they have their own “vibe” and rigorously enforce it in their own community. That’s fine, it’s their service after all. Feels a bit strange to turn away potential new users when people are looking for viable alternatives
I don’t think Tildes is turning anyone away, not sure where that narrative comes from. Anyone can request an invite from the owner themselves.They are just not looking for explosive growth like some of the other services are.
In fact I think the invite system is an effective way to keep the boys away as the free-for-all signups are easier to game.
Sadly tildes is invite only it seems.
People parrot this as if getting a Tildes invite is like getting invited to join the Freemasons or something like that—it’s not that hard to get an invite.
And for those who are just going to lurk, you don’t even need to register to view everything.
Yeah, but just asking for one is usually enough. It isn’t difficult to get, just enough to totally prevent bots or massive multiple accounts.
Afaik you just email him and he will give you one it is not like they are overwhelmed with people.
Received an invite after a week.
It isn’t bad of a turnaround time, really.
If you haven’t received an invite to join Tildes yet, just email invites@tildes.net and ask. I received one 2 weeks after requesting.
I have 5 invites I can give out, PM me if you’re interested!
I would love one if they’re still available
Can’t seem to figure out how to PM you, so here you go, hope nobody steals it out from under you. :( I have 3 left to give after this one:
Thank you!
I would love one please if you still have some!
I’d love an invite if you’re down to give em!
Can’t seem to figure out how to PM you, so here you go, hope nobody steals it out from under you. :( I have 2 left to give after this one:
I too, would appreciate an invite if you have one more available! Thank you!
Can’t seem to figure out how to PM you, so here you go, hope nobody steals it out from under you. :( I have 1 left to give after this one:
I’ve honestly never heard of Tildes til this post. As far as I can tell since there’s no API he’s just scraping html which is not ideal, but still it’s worth checking out. I love that developers are still determined to make 3rd party apps.
I wanted to check the code to see if hes actually mad enough to do it aaaand it’s closed source
If you know some Java, you may try to look into it with Jadx. It’s a Java decompiler with Android support, and can also export code an Android Studio project if you don’t like the built-in code viewer. It’s on GitHub.
That seems like a pretty bad platform to develop an app for then lol at least APIs try to maintain backwards-compatibility (and give you only the data you need in an easier format), I can’t imagine that being sustainable long-term.
Was really keen on tildes for a moment when we were going through the exodus stage with Reddit. I wasn’t keen on the closed invite system.
I get they want to keep their own community and that’s fine, but it’s a shame they wanted to limit their growth in a time when people were looking for alternatives
Probably limited to keep the infrastructure from getting overwhelmed. It is a one person show after all.
I wonder why he went over that over Lemmy.
Talklittle themself has said that it’s actually because they were already working on a tildes app before the reddit API changed. Tildes was different enough from reddit that they felt comfortable investing the time. Then 3rd party apps got booted and everyone started moving over, and at that point it was easier to keep working on the same tildes app than to start anything new.
They are on the fediverse as well, so hopefully with time they may decide to make something for Lemmy as well
Huh thanks for the explanation I just replied someone else about not having a clue why dev decided to go that route haha.
Probably because when people were suggesting Reddit alternatives a TON of people showed interest in Tildes. Then, as far as I know, it never took off because it was invite only?
We have all of the larger Android Reddit app developers making Lemmy apps already. I’m pretty happy with Lemmy.
Yeah but I mean he should at least researched how good or active Tildes was?
Or is it more active than Lemmy?
I don’t know how to create apps, but IMHO that seems to involve a lot of time and research, even if you have a full baked one for other service, so I wouldn’t rush launching it into a “x” (no Elon shit) alternative?
Well I bet he has his reasons.
EDIT: Nevermind I got a repose with the context about his reasonings:
I’m a long time RIF user myself and as much as it would be great to have a Lemmy version we have so much to choose from it literally doesn’t matter at all. You can tweak Connect to basically work similar to RIF if you want.
Please don’t hate on the dev or Tildes itself, it serves no purpose at all and we are better than that as a community.
I used rif for free for so many years I better have nothing to say other than “you go girl” or else I’d feel like a real butthole.
Play Store link: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.talklittle.android.tildes
Alternatively, opt-in to testing via web: https://play.google.com/apps/testing/com.talklittle.android.tildes
Is there an ios app too
I’ve been using the app Surfboard through TestFlight, and it’s really nice!
Honestly just using it in a browser is pretty good too imo
IOS app is in the making. RIF dev said it should be out in October.
Isn’t that the place with the admin with a god complex?
many such cases
Why of all the alternatives to reddit did the rif dev had to go with the shittyest one, i heard that the admins over there are even worse than they where back at reddit. I used riff almost since i started to interact with reddit and it was a beautifull app. Why didnt they go for a lemmy app? Why that horrible place of tildes…? I dont know but its probably safe to blame the beans.
Edit: Lots of Tildes lovers over here, arent yah? Look if you like the platform then more power to yah but my criticisms come from the moderation of that platform, its very sketchy and ban happy from what i heard, and imho a platform is limited by their moderators, and the jannies in tildes are the type that make you go “reddit moment” .
the shittyest one
Eh, that crown is probably better worn by Squabbles.
I haven’t been to squabble since about a week after it opened. What happened to it?
What’s wrong with Squabbles? The UI looks neat and that’s about all I know
What’s wrong with Squabbles? The UI looks neat and that’s about all I know
Around the beginning of July (and again in the middle of July), there were a lot of posts on r/redditalternatives promoting Squabbles. I’m not saying it was bots, but they had the odor—all newish users with the same name pattern, something like two diceware words and a four-digit number. E.g., Intrepid-Pangolin-4842.
And the posts had this exaggerated positivity, kind of like that terminal handing out affirmations in Demolition Man.
Then when I tried to use the site and give it a fair shake, I found that it felt like maybe a dozen real people and the rest were … I dunno, bots again? Lots of one-word or one-sentence replies that didn’t seem on topic at all? Very “Markovian Parallax.”
The site purports to be influenced by Twitter and Reddit, so maybe that’s part of the Twitter influence coming through (re: the shorter replies). I never really used Twitter/X, so I’m not sure.
Also I think there’s no NSFW, which seems to be a deal breaker for some.
Nah, Raddle deserves it for the blatant transphobia
Tildes is not a Reddit alternative, it’s got its own thing going. talklittle has been a member there for quite some time and so it makes sense. It’s not for everyone, but I appreciate it.
I’m curious, how would you characterize it’s “thing”? I poked around a little and read a few comment threads. It looks like the social media version of npr lol. Very dry, matter of fact sorta vibe. I may have just picked some bad threads too
Uhh… Sounds pretty good to me? No constant spam and repeat jokes. What are you looking for?
Maybe not the experience of comunicating to a teacher like im in elementary school or trying to get across to some jerryathic bureocrat? Im exagerating of course but what i mean its that how you describe it sounds sanitaced and restrictive, not fun in my opinion.
If Tildes is elementary school teacher, kbin/Lemmy is the elementary school class.
Both have a place, one has more noice, but also more content and the other less activity, though pretty worthwhile stuff for what it has.
Well, more power to ya for that. But i believe that the folks over at Tildes moderation are the school class trying to pass as a teacher, or more likelly some guy trying to build an echochamber for themselves with a bunch of yes men and that doesnt lead to worthwhile discussion and just to a circlejerk, and if you whant one of those then you are better off listening to relaxing dolphin sounds, asmr or reiki on your favorite media platform since those are more reasuring, make you feel more safe and relaxed and probably would help you sleep better.
Everyone is a mod there
I don’t know what you’ve been talking about there since I can’t agree with that experience but get off your high horse if you can with that stick up your ass.
social media version of npr lol.
That is a spot on description
You’re surely entitled to your opinion but I’ve been a Tildes user for a short while and have found the place to be lovely. Everyone seems very courteous and respectful, maybe to an extra degree. I’ve read some posts there that have said only a small number of people have been banned, around the order of a few every time membership opens up. You’ve and others on this thread have heard differently, though. This is just my one anecdotal experience.
Well if it works for you then thats good news i guess. But there is an anecdote of some very reddit moment a dev had over ther. I cant find the source but it was posted on r/save3rdpartyapps and in r/redditalternatives about a meltdown some dev had over some banned user, check out my profile if you whana read it. You are free to write me off as just making stuff up since i dont have the source.
He was already working on a Tildes app before Reddit banned 3rd party apps. I expect a Lemmy one will eventually be in the works as well
Heres hopeing
You hear? I’ve popped in and out from time to time and haven’t noticed such. As it’s text and discussion first, it’s definitely different vibe though and probably is moderated in that direction too.
I was looking for a story of someone that sayed they got banned by some developer of that platform just because they (the banned person) provided a dumb response, litterally “Adios”, to the dev on some meaningless argument that the dev wasnt even involved in in the beggining but involved midly critisicicing the platform or something like that. And whent they posted the story on reddit, the dev (aledgedly but more likelly than not) started using varius accounts calling them a liar and spamming in that particular post, and in the devs main reddit or tildes account they provided evidence that the banned individual was saying racial slurs and things like that, but the banned proved that that wasnt its account, it was someomelses username, and also the fact that that particular dev whent as far as to throw such a fit going as far as to try to disprove the claims of the banned person over such a small and obscure post that i cant even find anymore definetly raises some red flags to me at least. Like i said i cant find it anymore, it was posted on r/save3rdpartyapps and reposted on several subs. And recently i heard that the main dev calls themselves " The god of tildes" so thats another red flag that puts me of that place besides the invite only bs.
Wow. That was a lot of hearsay without any sources.
Ive told you i cant find it anymore. Dont believe if you dont whant to.
I’m going to keep this in the back of my mind going forward. With a grain of salt though since I haven’t seen this with my own eyes.
But also from the first step I realized it was just privately owned and moderated platform and with that in mind I’m just putting in what I’m willing to loose. It’s not mine, even in the sense that a subreddit community could’ve been presented to be “mine”.
On a sidenote, I’m not feeling too good about kbin/Lemmy ATM. Since there are so many instances I’m seeing many reposts, maybe even back-to-back and I can’t but my finger on the moderation standards that are set here (not that I’ve seen anything vile but just… Idunno it’s hard to follow since there are so many admins and I don’t know where to look).
Same here with the lemmy thing. But after being a some time on the internet, repost are something i kinda just have to accept as part of online comunities, since whe humans like to repeat shit we like and share it with other humans. Its chaotic, unsanitised, and if you look at it on the bigger picture, extremelly boring and repetitive. And it is true that mass reposting is a tactic used by bad actors to push their agenda in online comunities, and imo it just means that such bad actors have already arived to lemmy, which was just a matter of time if not that they already whhere here. Imo the spam of bs like identity politics and virtue signaling of it its proof of it if anything, and the popular tab of all the instances is starting to look an awful lot like r/all in its worst days with a lot off spam from american politics “communities” (more like circlejerks). And there are more reasons to distrust the fediverse like the cold shoulder hostility between some instances, beehaw, most of the userbase are exredditors and outcasts (but not the good kind), its creators are some edgy tankie larpin kids that couldnt get past their SOVIET MOTHERLAND COMRADE GREAT LEAP FOWARD face and activelly keep pushing it and banning whoever that doesnt play into their larping. But there are lots of reasons to love it, mailny that there is genuine free speech in here and its hard to shit all over it, since if you get banned you cam make another account on another instance and you get really good arguments with people that like to argue instead of just fight, not all of the ofcourse but most. I myself havent been banned from any comunity and if you check out my comment history youll know that im not the most agreable felha in here and like to play devils advocate a lot. Just dont 100% trust what you see on the internet and be aware that there is a bias and jannies are not your friends nor are they here to better the comunity, they are in it for the power fantasy.
First-mover advantage.
The market is about to be flooded with Lemmy apps, many of which will be based on former reddit apps. And like it or not, most of these apps do ultimately exist to make money.
I feel like TalkLittle had already committed himself to making a Tildes app before it became apparent that the Tildes admins were a bit heavy-handed. I’d have to imagine that if that was known about earlier on, he may have gone with another platform.
I seem to recall him mentioning considering developing a Squabbles app, but I don’t remember if I’m confusing TalkLittle with another dev on that one.
Now that you said so talklittle said in the goodbye post of rif that maybe work on a similar platform would beggin. I dont think its happening since nobody can just churn out apps left and right, but it shouldnt be super hard to mod rif into a fediverse app but i dont know since im more of a begginer in app design.
Yeah, I doubt we’ll see it happen. Which is a shame, because I would love a fully RIF-cloned Lemmy app. I’d gladly pay for Lemmy Is Fun Golden Platinum all over again if he’d make it lol
Good to hear he’s still at it. Wouldn’t have blamed him if he took a break from everything after the last few months.
Still not had an invite to check out Tildes so not seen it, but wish him well.
This is great! The road is finally rising with all the alternatives and as a Tildes user, i’m excited to install this, and maybe improve my engagement there.
