Can we not pretend like this hasn’t happened numerous times in the past. The US hasn’t been in a war since WW2 and yet somehow we keep ending up killing people in other countries.
I think Korea does and Vietnam doesn’t (to the US) or vice versa. I think one was conducted with the US officially entering the war and one “in support of” a participant of the war.
…but its all games to get around congress having to vote to go to war.
They all did. They were just not formally declared, doesn’t make it less of a war in practice, but it does in the context of the law in discussion. Loophole mechanics.
I think Congress never voted on any of them and so they were never defined by the US as being at war. They were all military operations from the instruction of the president.
While offensive war is definitely wrong (I don’t personally think defending yourself is wrong however, although some will differ), none of the undeclared wars that the US has been in since WW2 have been illegal under the laws of the United States.
POTUS has the right to send in troops, Congress has the right to declare a war but if they don’t declare war that doesn’t change the fact that the POTUS is legally allowed to send troops in, particularly for UN peace keeping (ie Korea, Former Yugoslavia), but even in the absence of an international umbrella.
As per post above the US president can defacto start and run a war until congress turns off the financial taps or impeaches him, only they can declare a war, and they don’t like doing that, hence the last 80 years of defacto but undeclared wars
Yes, I understand the history, and I’m saying that all of those undeclared wars were a breach of the intention of the constitution to make the decision to go to war the purview of Congress.
It’s like all the other unwritten expectations of behavior that were never actual codified because the founders assumed politicians would be good people.
And now we have Trump who ignores every social more in the book and has shown that we really can’t leave good behavior down to “expectations.”
Can we not pretend like this hasn’t happened numerous times in the past. The US hasn’t been in a war since WW2 and yet somehow we keep ending up killing people in other countries.
Excuse me, this is called “defending our interests”.
Do Vietnam and Korea not count as wars?
Can’t lose a war if you retroactively count it as not a war 😎
I think Korea does and Vietnam doesn’t (to the US) or vice versa. I think one was conducted with the US officially entering the war and one “in support of” a participant of the war.
…but its all games to get around congress having to vote to go to war.
They all did. They were just not formally declared, doesn’t make it less of a war in practice, but it does in the context of the law in discussion. Loophole mechanics.
Or Indonesia, Laos, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Bolivia, Cambodia, Iran, Lebanon, Granada, Panama, Somalia, Bosnia, Croatia, Haiti, Congo, Iraq, Iraq again, Afghanistan, Philippines, Syria, Yemen, Somalia again, Libya, Niger, South Sudan…
I think Congress never voted on any of them and so they were never defined by the US as being at war. They were all military operations from the instruction of the president.
Why do you let them set the narrative that a precedent of wrongdoing legitimizes future trespasses?
While offensive war is definitely wrong (I don’t personally think defending yourself is wrong however, although some will differ), none of the undeclared wars that the US has been in since WW2 have been illegal under the laws of the United States.
POTUS has the right to send in troops, Congress has the right to declare a war but if they don’t declare war that doesn’t change the fact that the POTUS is legally allowed to send troops in, particularly for UN peace keeping (ie Korea, Former Yugoslavia), but even in the absence of an international umbrella.
As per post above the US president can defacto start and run a war until congress turns off the financial taps or impeaches him, only they can declare a war, and they don’t like doing that, hence the last 80 years of defacto but undeclared wars
Yes, I understand the history, and I’m saying that all of those undeclared wars were a breach of the intention of the constitution to make the decision to go to war the purview of Congress.
It’s like all the other unwritten expectations of behavior that were never actual codified because the founders assumed politicians would be good people.
And now we have Trump who ignores every social more in the book and has shown that we really can’t leave good behavior down to “expectations.”