• @Honytawk@feddit.nl
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    More like fuck X group because they are paid murderers that invade other countries and makes every life they interact with worse.

    • @Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world
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      -218 hours ago

      The military is majority support roles like mechanic, cook, medic, signaler, padre, admin, logistics. There’s combat roles like infantry, artillery, combat engineer and armored and then the rest are people supporting them. Even in the combat roles it’s still pretty rare to be “murdering”. Americans are a bit different but a lot of militaries have rules of engagement. It’s not indiscriminate killing. It’s defending your fellow soldier, it’s protecting your base. They’re just people trying to do a job like any other.

      • @Allero@lemmy.today
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        Most of these roles are means to help actual infantry and pilots to kill people.

        The only roles that might be seen as something different are medic and cook. But even then - they are there so that the soldiers could be there on the battlefield later on.

        • @ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml
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          Sending an army of medics and cooks would be pretty based if they weren’t there to help the people doing the pillaging instead of the people who need it.

        • @Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world
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          No they’re not. The military’s role is not to kill. The majority of soldiers careers are spent assisting during disasters and supporting and maintaining equipment. The amount that kill are a very big minority. Movies and TV play it up.

          The military play a bigger role in stabilizing and having a presence and ability to deploy in very dangerous and inhospitable areas where they can assist other nations in stabilizing areas then they do in going some places and indiscriminately killing people. If people try to attack them, they’ll defend. Offensive operations are few and far between.

          The military everyday though is some where cutting down trees, training locals, securing supply lines in areas you’d never hear about. Even in war zones, the military medics provided a huge effort to provide medical services to locals. It sucks they have to be in places like Iraq or Afghanistan but that’s not the soldiers decision. Be mad at the politicians and your fellow citizens. But the soldier has a professional role. They’re not monsters. They’re no different than the general population. You’ll hear horror stories. But the vast majority are not and they honestly don’t deserve half the bullshit a lot of you give them.

          • @Allero@lemmy.today
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            Assisting during disasters

            Emergency responders do this with much less overhead - like, well, weapons. They also receive a much more extensive training for this specific kind of thing.

            Supporting and maintaining equipment

            Military equipment, i.e. literal murder machines.

            Stabilizing areas

            UN Peacekeepers do this. National armies serve “national interests”, as defined by the government backing them. They are not always interested in deescalation of conflicts, and US Army in particular stirred so many conflicts and made them so much worse because it served US government. Same idea for the rest.

            It’s not the soldiers decision

            It’s their decision to join the army and voluntarily give up their right to refuse. If you know you can be sent to raze territories and people, why do you join in the first place? There are better places to do good aspects of what army occasionally does.

            The primary role of military is to project power by either destroying or threatening to destroy anything a given government doesn’t like. Everything else comes secondary, and if not for that, we would have dedicated personnel only meant to do the good things instead. Don’t buy weapons and helicopters, train people to respond to emergencies and assist local civilians in hostile areas. UN does this. But hey, how do you instate banana republics then?

            • @Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world
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              Yea not reading all that. I know it’s just your opinion. Facts are the military isn’t a murder machine. They serve the country in multiple areas. Many areas that don’t get credit. They also do a lot of harm. But the vast majority of soldiers are amazing people who do more good in their lifetime than I bet you probably do. Much of a soldier’s career is helping other people. You have a very simplistic understanding of what a military is.

              • @Allero@lemmy.today
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                Not reading all that

                The most blatant evasion.

                Short version personally for you: all good things military does are better done by other specially trained people. And they don’t need deadly weapons for this. Military doesn’t make sense outside killing context.

                P.S. My dad served in the army before he disappeared, so I’m pretty sure I know a bit.

                • @ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml
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                  310 hours ago

                  Bro just put their fingers in their ears like Dumb and Dumber. That’s the level of ignoring reality military bootlickers have to do.