Yup. Ending genocide is not on the ballot. Keeping American democracy on life support is on the ballot. And if we lose it because of this childish bullshit, abstainers in 2023 are to blame. You’re as useless as the Dem voters we’re already desperately trying to activate off the couch. Worst part is you’re doing it on purpose. You’re voting for Trump. It doesn’t matter how you feel. This is a fact. We’re hanging on by a thread and you’re whining to your own comrades about your feelings and discomfort. Vote far left down ballot. Elect a democratic president. Otherwise fuck yourself, your words mean literally nothing when you’re hauled off to camp from your family or put on the wall. Thanks for your opinions.
Vote for this one person to save democracy or go fuck yourself.
Sounds like a really healthy democracy you’ve got there. 🙄
Anyway, the reason we’re in this position is because everyone who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries is a complete asshole who intentionally fucked over progressive and leftist efforts. Now they’re mad we won’t show up for him in the general? Get fucked.
Nobody is saying that we have a healthy democracy. In fact, just the opposite: they are pointing out that we do not and that is why we are on such thin ice.
And yet, when it came time to select the Democrat nominee millions of people were like “I know we’re on thin ice but I’m still going to vote for the procorporate trash candidate.”
People who voted for Biden in the primaries are fucking assholes.
Bernie was buy-and-large the most popular candidate in 2016. Mainstream media all but refused to put him on air(He was bad for business, i.e. for millionaires/billionaire executives). The DNC completely fucked us when they still elected to put Hillary on the ballot; even with the GOP colluding with the FBI to investigate her, whether or not that was legitimate is irrelevant. The DNC fucked us. And yet… Like others have said, our democracy is currently so fragile that we have no real other choice other than to vote D straight down the ballot.
The only other possible option would be for a major of the country to write-in the same person in the primary election and then for that person to register as an official candidate and then run in the general election and win. The vast majority of states require a candidate to be registered for them to be a write-in. And good fucking luck convincing a majority of this country to agree on one person. Personally, if that were to happen I would proudly write-in Jon Stewart.
Biden hasn’t been that bad. Not bad enough to risk never getting to vote again.
But the people who are telling me I have to vote for Biden regularly assure me democracy is functioning.
It’s so ridiculous. I’ll vote for him because I think it’s currently the best option of two entire options in a very broken system, but we really need to do something to get rid of “vote blue no matter who” because it’s goddamn ridiculous. It’s like careening wildly from one side of the highway to the other while screaming “this is fine!”
I’m all for election reform. I think it’s our only way out of this.
A) The incumbent party always runs the sitting president if they are eligible for another term. That’s not rigging, it’s literally how it works.
B) Yes, the DNC rigs the primaries. Did you already forget when the DNC forced Hillary on us in 2016? Hell, if you’re asking that question than you obviously already forgot 2016, so of course you don’t even remember 2020.
C) For someone with such strong opinions, you don’t seem to know much about the process. Seriously, is this your first time paying attention? Or is this your first time as an eligible voter?
Lol. Like all the bad loser pathetic whiney bitches who were big mad when we didn’t show up for Hillary? Stop voting for procorporate trash in the primaries.
It’s not my responsibility to propose a solution to prevent the end of democracy. It’s the responsibility of everyone who voted for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries why they’re such pieces of shit.
It doesn’t fucking matter. You’re voting for your life and the lives of others. This isn’t a single issue election. Get that through your fucking head.
If that’s true then the people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries are absolute pieces of shit. Fuck them for fucking over progressive and leftist efforts.
You don’t even use logic. Those concepts have no relationship. You’re just an idiot with too much time online. You even go to DSA protests? Activism? You’re nothing.
I do not give a fuck. What are you not understanding here? What did you people not fucking get in 2016? Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to test us again by voting for Joe fucking Biden in the 2020 primaries. Fuck all of those people. They actively fought us and proved we’re not on the same side.
Wah wah wah wah this is hard and didn’t go my way so I’m gonna whine and fuck everyone even harder, my fellow victims included. So we should get sent to the fucking chamber and women made breeding machines bc you’re a whiney bitch. If you’re not gonna help, go get hit by a bus instead of bringing the rest of us down. You’re disgusting and sad.
Welcome to Democracy. You aren’t entitled to my vote. If you need it then make better choices in the primaries. If you don’t need my vote continue voting for procorporate trash and then crying when they lose in the general election.
“democracy is on life support”… yeah… didn’t say this was healthy. Thanks for demonstrating the problem with binary zero sum game thinking. You’re not grounded in reality if you can’t see we’re on life support. You don’t give a dying person meth and have them run a marathon. You hold on for dear life.
And fwiw wrt primaries… I voted against him. I voted against Hillary. I even voted against Pelosi for being too conservative. You’re fighting your comrades and the movement and that’s why you’re in the wrong and you don’t mean anything. Your politics and intellectualism mean nothing with the barrel of a gun between your eyes. Get your head out of your ass and vote against fascism. Or be a baby and have my friends and family killed in a few years. But I should get fucked. Thanks comrade. I’ll think about this comment looking out the window of the train at my kid for the last time. I’ll forever remember your vote, when I work to death in that mine, picturing my child screaming and crying the last time they see me.
You should’ve gotten your head out of your ass and voted for someone better in the 2020 primaries. You voted for Biden. I’m not responsible for how your garbage candidate performs in the general.
So a lot of us voted for what we thought was better option than a centrist in a lot of primaries before Biden, before Obama even.
I don’t think anyone is asking for your to always hold your nose and vote, but the man beat trump once, and if he does it again we can all do something more than bitch and moan that Biden isn’t good enough.
I’m not surprised by the way you feel tho, just caution that life is a lot longer than two presidential elections.
Yea, actually, it’s you that’s saying you plan not to vote , and therefore plan to vote for Trump because somehow the more corporate TV clown is better than the horrible centrist dem that also likes corporate money.
I plan to vote. Just like a voted in primaries for not the right leaning centrist dem.
If you kids would ever come out and vote in primaries or really ever you might get on with a plan that works for you too. But you won’t. Because you just want to bitch and whine, not put in the hard work, so you’ll waste democracy.
Where I’m coming from plans have worked to give women and minorities the right to vote, to protect unions, to protect access to healthcare, and to once upon a time even have a living wage. But the plan isn’t fast enough for people that don’t vote and only bitch because they have no patience.
Also, I’m not voting for Trump! I’m even voting left down ballot, I’m just not voting for Biden specifically.
If Trump wins and Democrats control both chambers, what the hell can he even do? Bloviate? I guess maybe he’ll do some executive orders that the 6-3 Court will uphold, but if Democrats aren’t worthless cowards they’ll just refuse to enforce his orders and it won’t matter anyway.
If you’re not afraid of the commander and chief of the military being Trump, being worse for what’s happening in the middle east, you are asleep.
There is no guarantee that the Dems will take both chambers. Your plan to increase protest voting in support for trump sounds a lot like when Hillary told Bernie bros that she didn’t need them, and they said they wouldn’t vote for her in that case.
We ended up with Trump, not by popular vote, but by just enough. Trump has praised the Israeli military. If this is your single issue, then siding with Trump won’t improve any fait in the middle east.
I mean, you do you tho…
If I could say anything it’d be to try not to vote on feelings or single issues alone. There’s always another election, unless of course, there’s a literal plan to replace the government and not do that anymore…
There are so many issues that I oppose Biden on, this isn’t single issue. After betraying the railroad workers, after betraying migrants and refugees, after betraying over-policed and hyper-incarcerated minorities, how can I just accept yet another thing to hate about Biden? When will it end? I will not lay down and let him have his way with me because Trump is worse.
This is just the red line. Here and no further. If you let Biden do anything he wants to you and beg for more, why would he ever stop?
At least Biden tolerates dissent and Dems rarely agree on anything entirely.
Wait till you see what the let’s start an insurrection , have secret service try try to kidnap the vice president, fuckboi has in store for us.
I won’t lie down because Biden isn’t perfect. So therefore I’ll whore for the person that is worse on the majority of the issues we actually care about?
At least when it was about Hillary vs Bernie you could appear to be arguing in good faith, that one would be a better choice. Now it just appears as bitter that things won’t be perfect so it should all be burnt down.
I can’t wait till we can move past both these candidates, but maybe Biden needs to beat trump like a drum one last time before we can vote for someone that isn’t a turd sandwich. Maybe we could push for someone that isn’t old as fuck and has a clue next time?
You do realize if Trump loses the Republican primaries you’re gonna have to come up with a brand new narrative to explain why we have to vote for Biden right?
So if Trump lost the Republican primaries that would change the entire calculus. I didn’t say you had to vote for Biden under all possible circumstances. Just that not voting for Biden would be basically voting for Trump (the worse option) because we don’t use ranked choiced voting in this country and due to first past the poll only have two parties.
You do you though, if you want to be bitter, go for it. But I’d rather be really bitter with the DNC and with Biden than watch a TV star clown dismantle democracy for the lolz.
Yup. Ending genocide is not on the ballot. Keeping American democracy on life support is on the ballot. And if we lose it because of this childish bullshit, abstainers in 2023 are to blame. You’re as useless as the Dem voters we’re already desperately trying to activate off the couch. Worst part is you’re doing it on purpose. You’re voting for Trump. It doesn’t matter how you feel. This is a fact. We’re hanging on by a thread and you’re whining to your own comrades about your feelings and discomfort. Vote far left down ballot. Elect a democratic president. Otherwise fuck yourself, your words mean literally nothing when you’re hauled off to camp from your family or put on the wall. Thanks for your opinions.
Beautifully said my friend!
Sounds like a really healthy democracy you’ve got there. 🙄
Anyway, the reason we’re in this position is because everyone who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries is a complete asshole who intentionally fucked over progressive and leftist efforts. Now they’re mad we won’t show up for him in the general? Get fucked.
Nobody is saying that we have a healthy democracy. In fact, just the opposite: they are pointing out that we do not and that is why we are on such thin ice.
And yet, when it came time to select the Democrat nominee millions of people were like “I know we’re on thin ice but I’m still going to vote for the procorporate trash candidate.”
People who voted for Biden in the primaries are fucking assholes.
That’s more of a DNC decision. It’s traditional for both parties to run their incumbent candidate because the incumbent usually wins.
And did win.
Bernie was buy-and-large the most popular candidate in 2016. Mainstream media all but refused to put him on air(He was bad for business, i.e. for millionaires/billionaire executives). The DNC completely fucked us when they still elected to put Hillary on the ballot; even with the GOP colluding with the FBI to investigate her, whether or not that was legitimate is irrelevant. The DNC fucked us. And yet… Like others have said, our democracy is currently so fragile that we have no real other choice other than to vote D straight down the ballot.
The only other possible option would be for a major of the country to write-in the same person in the primary election and then for that person to register as an official candidate and then run in the general election and win. The vast majority of states require a candidate to be registered for them to be a write-in. And good fucking luck convincing a majority of this country to agree on one person. Personally, if that were to happen I would proudly write-in Jon Stewart.
Biden hasn’t been that bad. Not bad enough to risk never getting to vote again.
Did you just admit the DNC primaries are rigged?
After Bernie got fucked, was there ever any question?
I didn’t have any question no. But the people who are telling me I have to vote for Biden regularly assure me democracy is functioning.
It’s so ridiculous. I’ll vote for him because I think it’s currently the best option of two entire options in a very broken system, but we really need to do something to get rid of “vote blue no matter who” because it’s goddamn ridiculous. It’s like careening wildly from one side of the highway to the other while screaming “this is fine!”
I’m all for election reform. I think it’s our only way out of this.
No. We don’t all think that. You’re projecting because you’re angry and sad.
First time?
A) The incumbent party always runs the sitting president if they are eligible for another term. That’s not rigging, it’s literally how it works.
B) Yes, the DNC rigs the primaries. Did you already forget when the DNC forced Hillary on us in 2016? Hell, if you’re asking that question than you obviously already forgot 2016, so of course you don’t even remember 2020.
C) For someone with such strong opinions, you don’t seem to know much about the process. Seriously, is this your first time paying attention? Or is this your first time as an eligible voter?
Buddy I was talking about the 2020 primaries. You misread my comment.
Who said they’re not. But that has nothing to do with you choosing to elect Trump. That’s just you being a bad loser pathetic whiney bitch.
Lol. Like all the bad loser pathetic whiney bitches who were big mad when we didn’t show up for Hillary? Stop voting for procorporate trash in the primaries.
That has nothing to do with today. You’re dumb.
Call me whatever you want. If you don’t need my vote ignore me. If you need my vote then fucking pay attention.
In all of your comments, I’ve yet to see you propose a solution to prevent the end of our democracy. Just complaining it’s not enough of a democracy.
How does letting Trump get elected get you closer to your goals, not further?
It’s not my responsibility to propose a solution to prevent the end of democracy. It’s the responsibility of everyone who voted for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries why they’re such pieces of shit.
We don’t have a choice right now. Wake up.
When will we have a choice? Tell me how many more times I’m morally obligated to vote for your piece of shit candidate?
It doesn’t fucking matter. You’re voting for your life and the lives of others. This isn’t a single issue election. Get that through your fucking head.
If that’s true then the people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries are absolute pieces of shit. Fuck them for fucking over progressive and leftist efforts.
You don’t even use logic. Those concepts have no relationship. You’re just an idiot with too much time online. You even go to DSA protests? Activism? You’re nothing.
Buddy, I have phone banked, canvassed, donated and voted.
Then you don’t need my vote and you can just ignore me.
No. I will not put up with this for 48 more years.
Correct. Because this won’t be here.
Good.
People had a choice in the 2020 primaries and they chose procorporate trash Joe Biden. That’s on them for picking a shit candidate. Not me.
It’s totally on you. And you can trust me on this- YOU will be blamed if Trump wins.
I do not give a fuck. What are you not understanding here? What did you people not fucking get in 2016? Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to test us again by voting for Joe fucking Biden in the 2020 primaries. Fuck all of those people. They actively fought us and proved we’re not on the same side.
Wah wah wah wah this is hard and didn’t go my way so I’m gonna whine and fuck everyone even harder, my fellow victims included. So we should get sent to the fucking chamber and women made breeding machines bc you’re a whiney bitch. If you’re not gonna help, go get hit by a bus instead of bringing the rest of us down. You’re disgusting and sad.
Welcome to Democracy. You aren’t entitled to my vote. If you need it then make better choices in the primaries. If you don’t need my vote continue voting for procorporate trash and then crying when they lose in the general election.
“democracy is on life support”… yeah… didn’t say this was healthy. Thanks for demonstrating the problem with binary zero sum game thinking. You’re not grounded in reality if you can’t see we’re on life support. You don’t give a dying person meth and have them run a marathon. You hold on for dear life.
And fwiw wrt primaries… I voted against him. I voted against Hillary. I even voted against Pelosi for being too conservative. You’re fighting your comrades and the movement and that’s why you’re in the wrong and you don’t mean anything. Your politics and intellectualism mean nothing with the barrel of a gun between your eyes. Get your head out of your ass and vote against fascism. Or be a baby and have my friends and family killed in a few years. But I should get fucked. Thanks comrade. I’ll think about this comment looking out the window of the train at my kid for the last time. I’ll forever remember your vote, when I work to death in that mine, picturing my child screaming and crying the last time they see me.
You should’ve gotten your head out of your ass and voted for someone better in the 2020 primaries. You voted for Biden. I’m not responsible for how your garbage candidate performs in the general.
So a lot of us voted for what we thought was better option than a centrist in a lot of primaries before Biden, before Obama even.
I don’t think anyone is asking for your to always hold your nose and vote, but the man beat trump once, and if he does it again we can all do something more than bitch and moan that Biden isn’t good enough.
I’m not surprised by the way you feel tho, just caution that life is a lot longer than two presidential elections.
You’ve got no plan.
Yea, actually, it’s you that’s saying you plan not to vote , and therefore plan to vote for Trump because somehow the more corporate TV clown is better than the horrible centrist dem that also likes corporate money.
I plan to vote. Just like a voted in primaries for not the right leaning centrist dem.
If you kids would ever come out and vote in primaries or really ever you might get on with a plan that works for you too. But you won’t. Because you just want to bitch and whine, not put in the hard work, so you’ll waste democracy.
Where I’m coming from plans have worked to give women and minorities the right to vote, to protect unions, to protect access to healthcare, and to once upon a time even have a living wage. But the plan isn’t fast enough for people that don’t vote and only bitch because they have no patience.
America has never been a democracy. 🙄
Also, I’m not voting for Trump! I’m even voting left down ballot, I’m just not voting for Biden specifically.
If Trump wins and Democrats control both chambers, what the hell can he even do? Bloviate? I guess maybe he’ll do some executive orders that the 6-3 Court will uphold, but if Democrats aren’t worthless cowards they’ll just refuse to enforce his orders and it won’t matter anyway.
If you’re not afraid of the commander and chief of the military being Trump, being worse for what’s happening in the middle east, you are asleep.
There is no guarantee that the Dems will take both chambers. Your plan to increase protest voting in support for trump sounds a lot like when Hillary told Bernie bros that she didn’t need them, and they said they wouldn’t vote for her in that case.
We ended up with Trump, not by popular vote, but by just enough. Trump has praised the Israeli military. If this is your single issue, then siding with Trump won’t improve any fait in the middle east.
There’s no guarantee we won’t already be in WW3 before the election (Israel is trying its best) so it’s hard to game things out that far.
Also, Trump has praised Hezbollah’s military. The guy is a clown and just says whatever pops in his head.
Look, I can’t tell you how to vote, that’s a personal matter.
But as a veteran I’d sleep a lot more sound with someone who isn’t a clown holding the nuclear launch codes.
Project 2025 should scare the hell out of you. https://apnews.com/article/election-2024-conservatives-trump-heritage-857eb794e505f1c6710eb03fd5b58981
I mean, you do you tho… If I could say anything it’d be to try not to vote on feelings or single issues alone. There’s always another election, unless of course, there’s a literal plan to replace the government and not do that anymore…
There are so many issues that I oppose Biden on, this isn’t single issue. After betraying the railroad workers, after betraying migrants and refugees, after betraying over-policed and hyper-incarcerated minorities, how can I just accept yet another thing to hate about Biden? When will it end? I will not lay down and let him have his way with me because Trump is worse.
This is just the red line. Here and no further. If you let Biden do anything he wants to you and beg for more, why would he ever stop?
At least Biden tolerates dissent and Dems rarely agree on anything entirely.
Wait till you see what the let’s start an insurrection , have secret service try try to kidnap the vice president, fuckboi has in store for us.
I won’t lie down because Biden isn’t perfect. So therefore I’ll whore for the person that is worse on the majority of the issues we actually care about?
At least when it was about Hillary vs Bernie you could appear to be arguing in good faith, that one would be a better choice. Now it just appears as bitter that things won’t be perfect so it should all be burnt down.
I can’t wait till we can move past both these candidates, but maybe Biden needs to beat trump like a drum one last time before we can vote for someone that isn’t a turd sandwich. Maybe we could push for someone that isn’t old as fuck and has a clue next time?
You do realize if Trump loses the Republican primaries you’re gonna have to come up with a brand new narrative to explain why we have to vote for Biden right?
You’re a moron
So if Trump lost the Republican primaries that would change the entire calculus. I didn’t say you had to vote for Biden under all possible circumstances. Just that not voting for Biden would be basically voting for Trump (the worse option) because we don’t use ranked choiced voting in this country and due to first past the poll only have two parties.
You do you though, if you want to be bitter, go for it. But I’d rather be really bitter with the DNC and with Biden than watch a TV star clown dismantle democracy for the lolz.
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