By seeking to “liberate” Germans from a globalized world order, the Nazi government sent the national economy careening backwards—and drove up the price of eggs 600 percent.
The playbook is there, is being followed, you people have the 2nd amendment and I have no idea why these people walk freely while you struggle to pay rent and pay your meals
When the 2nd Amendment was written, a bunch of (trained) dudes with muskets represented the pinnacle of military power (at least if there wasn’t any artillery around, even back then). So the 2nd Amendment gave the people the right to possess sufficient military power to counter the federal government. Today, having a closet full of peashooters means absolutely fucking nothing to a government with armored vehicles, tanks, helicopters, airplanes, cruise missiles, drones, intercontinental missiles and nukes at their disposal. The idea that the 2nd Amendment represents an antidote to a tyrannical federal government is just as much of a fantasy for the Left as it always has been for the Right.
Sure. The US military can just start murdering everyone in the country with their superior firepower. Then the economy is gone and so are the relatives and friends of the soldiers.
Look at Israel failing to militarily defeat Hamas. And that is not only with the firepower difference but also with decades of supremacist indoctrination and a near total disregard for the human life of the people they designate as enemies.
Look at how the Ukrainians took over their country in 2014, throwing stones and pushing garbage cans as shields against the army and police shooting at them.
If the people in the US were dedicated to oppose a fascist takeover, they would win. Yes people will die in the process, but the idea that the army would just massacre everyone without hesitation from a human perspective is far fetched, just as the idea of the government and their cronies happily affording to loose large parts of the population is far fetched.
I wouldn’t say it’s nothing. It’s a lot less meaningful that it used to be but it can still be effective. Whoever killed that CEO last year only needed a basic gun and they managed to make America slightly better with it.
I wouldn’t say “no chance”. Last summer Trump was a few inches from being a chunkful of splattered History.
Of course the idea that the population could take the US military full-on is ridiculous. But resistance doesn’t have to take the shape of traditional warfare, and anything would be better than the current overwhelming apathy that is the response to being governed by literal Nazis.
No one’s talking about fighting the military. You just form an armed mob like the black panthers did and scare politicians into submission lol. 330 million guns and people in this country no one needs to fire a shot at anyone.
Like Reagan made gun control laws real quick. We should learn from our own recent history
Lots of times this is brought up so I question you this. Why has no one organized cyber warfare against your regime?
Why are we in the outside world not yet supporting American revolutionists via the internet? Everyone seems to have connection. Loads have experience in IT in some way. Just Lemmy alone is full of Americans who fear bullets but own computers.
Aside from the handful of clowns we see in the news, the US government and military take cybersecurity extremely seriously and they do not fuck around. Just engage in cyberwarfare against the government with consumer hardware is about the equivalent of taking down predator drones with an AR-15.
A land of armed dissidents who can’t be bothered. They won’t walk so lightly into Canada as heir drumpfkins continually threatens and they did and continue to do with your formerly democratic institutions. I can assure you of that.
Never even learned from the poor people you invaded and killed for the past century or more who fought back with much, much less than you have easily available. You’ll praise the man in Tiananmen Square from behind the internet box, who stood up to a line of tanks with, what was it again? Oh yea, a couple of bags of groceries.
But you won’t do shit for yourself and actively argue against any suggestion as being farcical.
All talk no action. Shouldn’t be a hard defeat when the war comes. Sorry but we’ll be considering people like you, responsible.
Why has no one organized cyber warfare against your regime?
I mean … the US government (the NSA specifically) can basically read anybody’s electronic communications and let themselves into any networked device younger than 25 years old. If there were to be any kind of successful resistance to this administration, it couldn’t be “cyber” in any way.
Right so more excuses. You should deal with your dictator problem. It’s affecting the world. Scared of bullets, won’t even try from the couch. Your society is fucked.
If it’s such an issue, travel outside the country as a citizen, you can do that…right now at least. The internet exists in all sorts of different places in the world as do partisans against American authoritarian rule.
my God man pull it together. You fucking sound like you’re losing it. Why don’t you focus on your own problems at home. Cyber war against who, partisans fight who? Like do you have a strategy in mind or are you just full of panic and trying to insight violence.
Like seriously what country are you from so I can better understand what you’re implying we do
I am Canadian. You continue to not act and I am just as fucked as you. We will mount a resistance though. Many are already economically and many individuals are openly preparing for war. Taking classes, buying guns, training for first aid, joining mutual aid orgs, saving money to fly their kids out of country if they can, when it becomes necessary. I am doing my part at home thank you.
Funny that we can see what’s necessary as can the rest of the world but you are blind to it and fight against recognising it for what it is.
As a Canadian the developments that are happening right now make me highly opposed to the gun bans that have been happening. Almost all semi-automatic rifles are banned and it isn’t doing a dent to the crime. Licensed Canadian gun owners were never a problem. Canada never had a gun problem even when there was next to no gun control here.
We need community defense and a ready made resistance force, like the home guard in Britain during ww2.
IMO, guns are not the cause of violence. After WW2, Americans returning from war weren’t shooting up schools, despite having easy access to firepower. It takes a broken mind to murder people without cause.
My hypothesis is that society has been seriously corroded by capitalism, since it steals time and opportunity from people in many different ways. Parents not spending time with their children, appropriately sized homes for families being foreclosed, not being able to afford schooling, and so forth. All of these things are a poison that have built up over time.
I am of the opinion that politicians focus on fighting guns, since those are the final defense against malicious governance. Without them, situations like Blair Mountain couldn’t happen, where miners fought the corporations that raped their wives and daughters as a form of debt repayment.
Okay, so I’m already ahead of you on that entire list. What next? Help others do the same? Okay doing that too? Any other suggestions Canada? Like we hear you bro. We’re down here. It’s disorienting and you don’t know whos on who’s side. 70% of the public doesn’t even sense anythings wrong. Please we need guidance you let us know what to do next?
Pretty crazy intense battles for personal and societal rights have been won with less than 30% of the population. How many farmers did it take in France again to overthrow undemocratic laws recently?
registered farmers…564,000
Population…around 66 million
But Americans online derided the French farmers for blocking highways, leaving piles of manure and burning tires all around the city center and government buildings. They stuffed the roadways with farm equipment. They dumped offal and shit everywhere and generally made a huge disturbance for a few weeks. They still attack a well known French anarcho communist here repeatedly for going to jail for standing up for his fellow man and call him a “that whatever French guy who went to prison four times” and yet have no earthly idea what an anarcho communist actually is.
The laws were repealed. The fascists pushing for them have since lost their leader to ooops…a possible prison sentence. Missed that one several times america.
Maybe try civil disobedience? Anything would be good.
Haven’t I listed so many things for you. You keep asking and then the next day you ask again. Maybe you have a memory problem. You should see a doctor.
What could you be possibly so worried about from the downfall of America? state exactly what kinda cyber war activities you think we should be doing? You just want us to go march on Washington DC with guns and start shooting at people and indiscriminately? I’m just confused why you’re so scared you’re over here trying to get us to do something about it and I’m wondering what you think we could possibly be doing right now. Like if we’re not interested in doing something for ourselves what would make you think that we would care what the fuck you think? or what consequences you face?
I face the eminent invasion and occupation of my country for its natural resources to continue the 'murican war machine against the world. Cause China cut you off for your war machine production due to your baby tyrants tarrifs. Yet the only real economy you possess any longer domestically is based on war production. Your dictator has repeatedly threatened the sovereignty of our nation and annexation. He has instigated a trade war and economic warfare on his closest ally and one of your largest trading partners. His takeover does not stop at some imaginary line on a map. It’s not just your country in peril from the dictator you have enshrined in the courts to have the ultimate authority and then voted in as your president. You probably didn’t notice though because you’re busy being American and not giving a shit about anyone else.
You do nothing and I get fucked too as do my countrymen. Your American exceptionaliam is rank. Fuck everyone else as long as I get mine.
Canada is Poland 1937-38 or Ukraine pre 2014 right now. The world knows. Perhaps you should recognise it as well since it’s happening because of you.
But I have no right to speak out. I have no right to be worried. I have no right to continually and unashamedly tell you that you are a population of fools until such time you act otherwise. Kindly go fuck yourself.
The whole US canada border has close historical side, the US part has a lot of guns and hunters. We will be coming in large numbers to help you if you need it. Until then help yourself, improve ties with europe, secure your food supplies and trade routes, get ready for a great depression. So much fear projecting out there. Be brave, be purposeful. Don’t put words in my mouth or maybe i’ll have a change of heart before the invasion and decide to share in your cowardice when it is time for actions.
We’ve got way bigger problems then you so unless you’ve got some useful advice no ones considered just chill. also if your paying attention, war efforts are shifting to the southern border and on china. No ones talked about canada in 30 days. The admins attention span is 30 minutes, the 51st state is in the past now hopefully. We’ve got new terrors to unleash on ourselves and the world.
Well fortunately for you, I’m a Mainer and will absolutely be fighting alongside of you on the Canadian border if that ever happens so be fucking nice cause we don’t really know what else to do besides prepare and hope the shit doesn’t hit the fan. I’m doing my best on the angry mob front but people are not angry. There is not much we can do as one person, or even a million people. We are fragmented geographically and ideologically in our own communities. Communication and information is damn near impossible. I know whats happening bro, we don’t know what to do. As mentioned we have guns and ammo. I don’t know which one of my neighbors I can trust. The whole Nazi germany thing happened a while ago. There are very important nuances to resistance to consider and the rules are being re-written.
Anywhoo lets hope we don’t have to meet up in New Brunswick, but I will be there to answer the call. There will be plenty of Mainers heading up to help you guys. The current administration can’t even pull off an attack on Yemen without broadcasting it to the world, I think we’ll have some warnings before we invade canada. Not even sure if they can pull it off.
My money is still on a global depression, so maybe secure your food supplies and stop worrying about shit you can’t change. These guys arn’t competent enough to weild the military to attack an ally neighbor. They are white supremists and canada is full of good english-y whites. The admin hasn’t even looked your way in a month, keep your head down and just hope America implodes, go align with europe I have faith it will work out for you guys. You’re not the one getting skull fucked by brainworms on a national scale lmao
They have been on usthe past month. Perhaps keeping up in the cycle is difficult because your dictator is destroying your country and people unoppose it completely. That floods you with news. Lots of news. We will not stop preparing. Your dictator is not a rational person. We cannot assume what he will do.
Hey thanks for the heads up. Our food is good. We grow our own.and enough for our immediate family and a few neighbors. Our votes are cast. Our weapons are cleaned and ready. Our trauma kits are stocked. Our bank account has the money for plane tickets for our kids and our relatives will watch them. We won’t be like most of your countrymen.
Also don’t forget the times the superior weaponry of the government was used against our own citizens. Things such as fire bombing our own city blocks or using turrets against protestors.
Are you guys really that scared of the military being used on you in the country? I’m ashamed of all of you. You sound like total cowards. It’s an irrational fear and it’s just a beacon of cowardice. nobody’s gonna drone strike your stupid little suburb.
Yeah. It really is a good thing that nothing has happened in modern US history to make people think that the government would use military ordinance against civilians. /s
I’ve been here for 40 fucking years. I can walk right up to my 80 year old senators house and say hey bitch time to step down. There’s no army there. It’s okay to be afraid, it’s not okay to fearmonger up your delusions. Just stay home and quit crying. Go back to playing video games. I’m just looking for a hundred thousand people to help pressure congress people to step down by making them unwelcome in their home towns.
Thing is. It is their first time. Most of Europe knows how this ends because generations that lived under a dictator are still alive today. Children of those generations are alive today and have first hand accounts of how it was.
Murrica has none of that.
And if any tankie is reading it. I am talking about soviets. Not nazis.
The playbook is there, is being followed, you people have the 2nd amendment and I have no idea why these people walk freely while you struggle to pay rent and pay your meals
When the 2nd Amendment was written, a bunch of (trained) dudes with muskets represented the pinnacle of military power (at least if there wasn’t any artillery around, even back then). So the 2nd Amendment gave the people the right to possess sufficient military power to counter the federal government. Today, having a closet full of peashooters means absolutely fucking nothing to a government with armored vehicles, tanks, helicopters, airplanes, cruise missiles, drones, intercontinental missiles and nukes at their disposal. The idea that the 2nd Amendment represents an antidote to a tyrannical federal government is just as much of a fantasy for the Left as it always has been for the Right.
Legalize 6th-gen fighter jets. Give me my Pepsi harrier!
Sure. The US military can just start murdering everyone in the country with their superior firepower. Then the economy is gone and so are the relatives and friends of the soldiers.
Look at Israel failing to militarily defeat Hamas. And that is not only with the firepower difference but also with decades of supremacist indoctrination and a near total disregard for the human life of the people they designate as enemies.
Look at how the Ukrainians took over their country in 2014, throwing stones and pushing garbage cans as shields against the army and police shooting at them.
If the people in the US were dedicated to oppose a fascist takeover, they would win. Yes people will die in the process, but the idea that the army would just massacre everyone without hesitation from a human perspective is far fetched, just as the idea of the government and their cronies happily affording to loose large parts of the population is far fetched.
civilian resistance has been notoriously hard for modern militaries to deal with.
hardened targets like tanks have become increasingly vulnerable.
drones are still scary, but anybody can use drones.
if you believe you’re already defeated, then you probably are. i have no respect for cowards and pacifists.
I wouldn’t say it’s nothing. It’s a lot less meaningful that it used to be but it can still be effective. Whoever killed that CEO last year only needed a basic gun and they managed to make America slightly better with it.
Unfortunately, there are many (right wing) USAians that would disagree with you. I’ve argued with them.
I wouldn’t say “no chance”. Last summer Trump was a few inches from being a chunkful of splattered History.
Of course the idea that the population could take the US military full-on is ridiculous. But resistance doesn’t have to take the shape of traditional warfare, and anything would be better than the current overwhelming apathy that is the response to being governed by literal Nazis.
The regime can use drones but not the population. That’s would be wrong.
Years of war history with your children being blown up in foreign countries by the poor people you invaded and you still have no idea what an IED is.
No one’s talking about fighting the military. You just form an armed mob like the black panthers did and scare politicians into submission lol. 330 million guns and people in this country no one needs to fire a shot at anyone.
Like Reagan made gun control laws real quick. We should learn from our own recent history
Lots of times this is brought up so I question you this. Why has no one organized cyber warfare against your regime?
Why are we in the outside world not yet supporting American revolutionists via the internet? Everyone seems to have connection. Loads have experience in IT in some way. Just Lemmy alone is full of Americans who fear bullets but own computers.
No bullets inside computers.
I’ll probably get reported for inciting violence.
Aside from the handful of clowns we see in the news, the US government and military take cybersecurity extremely seriously and they do not fuck around. Just engage in cyberwarfare against the government with consumer hardware is about the equivalent of taking down predator drones with an AR-15.
A land of armed dissidents who can’t be bothered. They won’t walk so lightly into Canada as heir drumpfkins continually threatens and they did and continue to do with your formerly democratic institutions. I can assure you of that.
Never even learned from the poor people you invaded and killed for the past century or more who fought back with much, much less than you have easily available. You’ll praise the man in Tiananmen Square from behind the internet box, who stood up to a line of tanks with, what was it again? Oh yea, a couple of bags of groceries.
But you won’t do shit for yourself and actively argue against any suggestion as being farcical.
All talk no action. Shouldn’t be a hard defeat when the war comes. Sorry but we’ll be considering people like you, responsible.
I mean … the US government (the NSA specifically) can basically read anybody’s electronic communications and let themselves into any networked device younger than 25 years old. If there were to be any kind of successful resistance to this administration, it couldn’t be “cyber” in any way.
Right so more excuses. You should deal with your dictator problem. It’s affecting the world. Scared of bullets, won’t even try from the couch. Your society is fucked.
If it’s such an issue, travel outside the country as a citizen, you can do that…right now at least. The internet exists in all sorts of different places in the world as do partisans against American authoritarian rule.
Perhaps you were unaware.
my God man pull it together. You fucking sound like you’re losing it. Why don’t you focus on your own problems at home. Cyber war against who, partisans fight who? Like do you have a strategy in mind or are you just full of panic and trying to insight violence.
Like seriously what country are you from so I can better understand what you’re implying we do
I am Canadian. You continue to not act and I am just as fucked as you. We will mount a resistance though. Many are already economically and many individuals are openly preparing for war. Taking classes, buying guns, training for first aid, joining mutual aid orgs, saving money to fly their kids out of country if they can, when it becomes necessary. I am doing my part at home thank you.
Funny that we can see what’s necessary as can the rest of the world but you are blind to it and fight against recognising it for what it is.
As a Canadian the developments that are happening right now make me highly opposed to the gun bans that have been happening. Almost all semi-automatic rifles are banned and it isn’t doing a dent to the crime. Licensed Canadian gun owners were never a problem. Canada never had a gun problem even when there was next to no gun control here.
We need community defense and a ready made resistance force, like the home guard in Britain during ww2.
IMO, guns are not the cause of violence. After WW2, Americans returning from war weren’t shooting up schools, despite having easy access to firepower. It takes a broken mind to murder people without cause.
My hypothesis is that society has been seriously corroded by capitalism, since it steals time and opportunity from people in many different ways. Parents not spending time with their children, appropriately sized homes for families being foreclosed, not being able to afford schooling, and so forth. All of these things are a poison that have built up over time.
I am of the opinion that politicians focus on fighting guns, since those are the final defense against malicious governance. Without them, situations like Blair Mountain couldn’t happen, where miners fought the corporations that raped their wives and daughters as a form of debt repayment.
Behind the Bastards, the 2nd Civil War you never heard about
Okay, so I’m already ahead of you on that entire list. What next? Help others do the same? Okay doing that too? Any other suggestions Canada? Like we hear you bro. We’re down here. It’s disorienting and you don’t know whos on who’s side. 70% of the public doesn’t even sense anythings wrong. Please we need guidance you let us know what to do next?
Pretty crazy intense battles for personal and societal rights have been won with less than 30% of the population. How many farmers did it take in France again to overthrow undemocratic laws recently?
registered farmers…564,000 Population…around 66 million
But Americans online derided the French farmers for blocking highways, leaving piles of manure and burning tires all around the city center and government buildings. They stuffed the roadways with farm equipment. They dumped offal and shit everywhere and generally made a huge disturbance for a few weeks. They still attack a well known French anarcho communist here repeatedly for going to jail for standing up for his fellow man and call him a “that whatever French guy who went to prison four times” and yet have no earthly idea what an anarcho communist actually is.
The laws were repealed. The fascists pushing for them have since lost their leader to ooops…a possible prison sentence. Missed that one several times america.
Maybe try civil disobedience? Anything would be good.
Haven’t I listed so many things for you. You keep asking and then the next day you ask again. Maybe you have a memory problem. You should see a doctor.
What could you be possibly so worried about from the downfall of America? state exactly what kinda cyber war activities you think we should be doing? You just want us to go march on Washington DC with guns and start shooting at people and indiscriminately? I’m just confused why you’re so scared you’re over here trying to get us to do something about it and I’m wondering what you think we could possibly be doing right now. Like if we’re not interested in doing something for ourselves what would make you think that we would care what the fuck you think? or what consequences you face?
I face the eminent invasion and occupation of my country for its natural resources to continue the 'murican war machine against the world. Cause China cut you off for your war machine production due to your baby tyrants tarrifs. Yet the only real economy you possess any longer domestically is based on war production. Your dictator has repeatedly threatened the sovereignty of our nation and annexation. He has instigated a trade war and economic warfare on his closest ally and one of your largest trading partners. His takeover does not stop at some imaginary line on a map. It’s not just your country in peril from the dictator you have enshrined in the courts to have the ultimate authority and then voted in as your president. You probably didn’t notice though because you’re busy being American and not giving a shit about anyone else.
You do nothing and I get fucked too as do my countrymen. Your American exceptionaliam is rank. Fuck everyone else as long as I get mine.
Canada is Poland 1937-38 or Ukraine pre 2014 right now. The world knows. Perhaps you should recognise it as well since it’s happening because of you.
But I have no right to speak out. I have no right to be worried. I have no right to continually and unashamedly tell you that you are a population of fools until such time you act otherwise. Kindly go fuck yourself.
The whole US canada border has close historical side, the US part has a lot of guns and hunters. We will be coming in large numbers to help you if you need it. Until then help yourself, improve ties with europe, secure your food supplies and trade routes, get ready for a great depression. So much fear projecting out there. Be brave, be purposeful. Don’t put words in my mouth or maybe i’ll have a change of heart before the invasion and decide to share in your cowardice when it is time for actions.
We’ve got way bigger problems then you so unless you’ve got some useful advice no ones considered just chill. also if your paying attention, war efforts are shifting to the southern border and on china. No ones talked about canada in 30 days. The admins attention span is 30 minutes, the 51st state is in the past now hopefully. We’ve got new terrors to unleash on ourselves and the world.
I’ve offered advice. You’re not open to it. What option do we as Canadians have left to encite the huge gang of citizens south of our border.
We will try everything.
That you could be fucked to do the same tells a lot.
Well fortunately for you, I’m a Mainer and will absolutely be fighting alongside of you on the Canadian border if that ever happens so be fucking nice cause we don’t really know what else to do besides prepare and hope the shit doesn’t hit the fan. I’m doing my best on the angry mob front but people are not angry. There is not much we can do as one person, or even a million people. We are fragmented geographically and ideologically in our own communities. Communication and information is damn near impossible. I know whats happening bro, we don’t know what to do. As mentioned we have guns and ammo. I don’t know which one of my neighbors I can trust. The whole Nazi germany thing happened a while ago. There are very important nuances to resistance to consider and the rules are being re-written.
Anywhoo lets hope we don’t have to meet up in New Brunswick, but I will be there to answer the call. There will be plenty of Mainers heading up to help you guys. The current administration can’t even pull off an attack on Yemen without broadcasting it to the world, I think we’ll have some warnings before we invade canada. Not even sure if they can pull it off.
My money is still on a global depression, so maybe secure your food supplies and stop worrying about shit you can’t change. These guys arn’t competent enough to weild the military to attack an ally neighbor. They are white supremists and canada is full of good english-y whites. The admin hasn’t even looked your way in a month, keep your head down and just hope America implodes, go align with europe I have faith it will work out for you guys. You’re not the one getting skull fucked by brainworms on a national scale lmao
They have been on usthe past month. Perhaps keeping up in the cycle is difficult because your dictator is destroying your country and people unoppose it completely. That floods you with news. Lots of news. We will not stop preparing. Your dictator is not a rational person. We cannot assume what he will do.
Hey thanks for the heads up. Our food is good. We grow our own.and enough for our immediate family and a few neighbors. Our votes are cast. Our weapons are cleaned and ready. Our trauma kits are stocked. Our bank account has the money for plane tickets for our kids and our relatives will watch them. We won’t be like most of your countrymen.
Might as well use it to just shoot up schools then
Right tool for the right job.
Don’t forget drones.
Also don’t forget the times the superior weaponry of the government was used against our own citizens. Things such as fire bombing our own city blocks or using turrets against protestors.
Are you guys really that scared of the military being used on you in the country? I’m ashamed of all of you. You sound like total cowards. It’s an irrational fear and it’s just a beacon of cowardice. nobody’s gonna drone strike your stupid little suburb.
Yeah. It really is a good thing that nothing has happened in modern US history to make people think that the government would use military ordinance against civilians. /s
Well I guess we should all just hide, and project fear online until they come for us individually! Great idea coward. I’ll get right on that.
TL;DR you don’t understand shit about America.
I’ve been here for 40 fucking years. I can walk right up to my 80 year old senators house and say hey bitch time to step down. There’s no army there. It’s okay to be afraid, it’s not okay to fearmonger up your delusions. Just stay home and quit crying. Go back to playing video games. I’m just looking for a hundred thousand people to help pressure congress people to step down by making them unwelcome in their home towns.
Shit, I meant to add drones to the list.
Because 99.9999% of us prefer shitty life with our favorite distractions to death or prison.
There comes a point where that life isn’t preferable anymore, but then it’s too late.
Thing is. It is their first time. Most of Europe knows how this ends because generations that lived under a dictator are still alive today. Children of those generations are alive today and have first hand accounts of how it was.
Murrica has none of that.
And if any tankie is reading it. I am talking about soviets. Not nazis.
Agreed, but the Bread and Circus of centuries and millenia past have become extremely good. There wasn’t even a term for air conditioning, either.
To get serious, citizens have to give up a lot of creature comforts. I don’t see them doing that.
Congratulations for understanding the true American spirit.