• LeTak@lemm.eeEnglish
      16·
      3 年前

      Chrome was not always based on chromeium. Chrome was based on Apple WebKit until 2013 when they forked WebKit and made the Blink engine.

      • fidodo@lemm.ee
        3·
        3 年前

        Chromium has always existed. Originally it was wrapping web kit and later they forked web kit into blink and diverged from Web kit. Chromium is a level above the engine.

      • Dapado@lemmy.world
        0·
        3 年前

        Chromium was still the base before the WebKit/Blink fork. Chrome and Chromium were released simultaneously in 2008.

    • narc0tic_bird@lemm.ee
      4·
      3 年前

      Pre-Chromium Edge wasn’t even that bad. Sure, the engine had its issues and there was probably a bit of Edge-specific JS on some websites, but I’m sure they would’ve eventually got there.

      But seeing that even Microsoft abandoned making their own browser engine, it goes to show how complex it is to make one nowadays and with new web APIs/features coming out every few weeks it feels like, it’s almost impossible to keep up.

    • TWeaK@lemm.eeEnglish
      3·
      3 年前

      Opera was the shit back in the early days. It could pretend to be any other browser.

    • Espi@kbin.social
      2·
      3 年前

      I have an installer for Opera 12.18, the last one to use their Presto engine. Every once in a while I test it out to see how it has aged.

      It’s not pretty haha. It barely works.

      • persolb@lemmy.mlEnglish
        2·
        3 年前

        I love it in theory… but it just broke so many websites I needed to use. And not always in obvious ways.

    • Mikina@programming.dev
      1·
      3 年前

      Add-ons are a pretty huge security risk, though. Someone was just posting an article about how tempting it is to sell out with your extension, and how many offers you actually get.

      And I’ve already been burned once, and it’s not pretty. Also nothing you can do against this.

      The best solution is actually not Firefox, but Mullvad. No need for extensions, based on Tor Browser and can be bundled with a VPN that’s full of other people using the same browser - so you have exactly the same fingerprint, and they can’t tell you apart. Not by extensions, not by IP.

  • Amy :3@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    6·
    3 年前

    Brave, Vivaldi, Edge and other chromium browsers are forks of the main chromium project. They can decide whether to include or exclude features from mainstream chromium.

    As far as I know, Brave and Vivaldi will keep Manifest V2 extension support and said that they will not ship WEI (Web Environment Integrity).

    Discord uses a modified version of electron, and it’s also probably an outdated fork as well, although I am not sure about that.

    Steam, in the other hand, uses CEF, which they use as a way to render it’s interface and as a replacement of VGUI (a good example of this is the steam game overlay), I don’t know if they will ship WEI if it ever releases in chromium as there isn’t a statement from Valve yet.

    Sources:

    If I missed something, please tell me!

    • Scraft161@iusearchlinux.fyi
      1·
      3 年前

      Discord’s electron still hasn’t received the patch for spectre/meltdown mitigation in the browser, I doubt they will ever have to deal with manifest V3 or WEI.

    • JokeDeity@lemm.eeBanned from community
      2·
      3 年前

      Been using FF for about 2 decades now and I have never seen a single good reason to switch.

      • EricKendrick@feddit.ukEnglish
        2·
        3 年前

        Ditto. As much as people pretend Firefox is niche, it is the only browser with lineage back to the start of the web.

  • m-p{3}@lemmy.ca
    3·
    3 年前

    Mozilla doesn’t make it as easy to use the Firefox / Gecko engine in other projects, which doesn’t help for adoption.

    • drathvedro@lemm.ee
      4·
      3 年前

      Yep, just like slack, spotify, and anything else looking fancy while wasting few gigs of ram to just open. They’re built on electron, which is practically chrome without tabs.

    • Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyiEnglish
      1·
      3 年前

      Anything that uses the electron framework uses chromium.

      Although in the case of steam they are using the Chromium Embedded Framework(CEF) to embed the steam store into their interface, as well as to power the steam overlays browser.

      The worst part is, the CEF really is the only way to implement browsers inside other interfaces. OBS uses it too for it’s browser source. There really isn’t any alternatives - if only FF could create it’s own Firefox Embedded Framework to compete, but that’s probably not in the cards due to costs. Mozilla is a not for profit relying on donations and grants.

      And electron is a method for creating desktop app interfaces using website code, it’s used for the interfaces of Discord, slack, teams, Streamlabs (yeah they ripped out the OBS Qt interface and replaced it with electron), and sooo many other modern applications that it’s hard to make track of. And it uses essentially the same thing as CEF at its heart.

      Basically any website can be wrapped in an electron wrapper to produce a standalone desktop app.

  • A10@kerala.party@kerala.party
    2·
    3 年前

    Firefox is kept alive by Google default search money AFAIK otherwise why don’t they sue google for showing different search results page in firefox

  • Gamey@feddit.rocks
    2·
    3 年前

    I just wish Mozilla didn’t just tread Gecko as part of Firefox, the few who tried developing on it came to the conclusion that it’s not sustainable if the engines developer doesn’t give a fuck about you! :/

  • AncientBlueberry@lemmy.world
    1·
    3 年前

    Google accounts for some 80%+ of Mozilla’s revenue. Firefox struck a different kind of deal with the devil than chromium browsers, but Google is the one pulling the strings.

    • Random Dent@lemmy.ml
      0·
      3 年前

      Bit of a weird thought, but I wonder also if they see Mozilla as a sort of controlled opposition too? As in, keep Firefox around so they don’t get in trouble over antitrust or something like that?

      • merc@sh.itjust.works
        1·
        3 年前

        Mozilla.org is the corpse of Netscape that Google keeps animated so that it looks like they have competition when they really don’t.

        The existence of Firefox is something they can point to to say they’re not a monopoly. The fact that 80% of the revenue Firefox receives is from Google means that Google effectively controls them. Mozilla has to weigh every decision against the risk that it will cause Google to withdraw their funding. That severely restricts the choices they’re willing to consider.

        Firefox is only 5% of browsers, so it really doesn’t matter to Google if that 5% of users considers using a different search engine. Because of the Firefox user base, many of them will have already switched search engines, and because Google is such a dominant player, many others would switch back to Google if the browser used a different default. So, maybe 10% of that 5% would permanently switch search engines if Google stopped paying. Is that really worth billions per year? Probably not. But, pretending like you have competitors in the browser space and using that to push back on antitrust, that’s definitely worth billions per year.

  • boeman@lemmy.world
    1·
    3 年前

    This feels weird to say… I really think Microsoft should’ve stuck with trident / edgehtml.