Are ya feeling safer, fellow women?
The worst part is they suspended him versus firing his creepy ass.
Wait wait wait… So a man barges into a women’s bathroom to pull out a woman just to make sure there are no men in there
My mind is stuck in an endless logic loop
The women in the bathroom complained so there is more than this guard at play
The Liberty Hotel initially defended the guard’s actions in a now-retracted statement, claiming “several guests alerted security about two adults occupying a single bathroom stall” and asserting that a physical altercation occurred. Baker and Victor denied those claims outright.
“If that’s what he thought the issue was once he opened the stall door, obviously there was only one person in there, so it should’ve been case closed,” Victor said. “Let her tie up her shorts and go about her day.”
So the guard actually opened the stall door while she was still using the toilet, found a woman in there, and then stuck around to demand ID to prove she was a woman? What a weird thing to do.
This is bad. But what really struck me was that a hotel had a guard? Do you have guards EVERYWHERE?
Tucson here: armed and unarmed guards are really common at low-class-linked businesses like thrift stores, Fry’s supermarkets, Walmart, Dollar stores, Walgreens/CVS. God forbid someone steal food or pharmacy items like shavers (shaver cartridges here are crazy expensive if you get name brand). Walgreens/CVS also has a tendency to lock the shelves behind plexiglass so you have to ask for help to buy more expensive items.
In some cases, these kind of stores are targeted specifically. There are shopping centers with higher end restaurants that coexist with super high theft locations literally within walking distance.
TLDR: it’s mostly to abate crimes of poverty
Reminded me of a comment a colleague made during a hotel stay in the US, “they got six people greeting me as I enter the lobby but no one to fix my shower”.
In the US? Only if there’s money.
Guards are only to protect assets not people. When I used to Metro in the Pentagon you would see four or five armed guards with m4s and body armor protecting the carts of the money for the Metro machines. They could give two shits about anyone else.
I rode some light rail trains in Mexico. The guards were putting money on boxes and I though it was a thought provoking photo. So I took the shot. Apparently they thought so too. They followed me and asked me to removed the photo because it was my first offense. Fuck that I’ve never been back in 35 years.
I feel like this is a very abridged version of an interesting story.
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He wasn’t disappeared, sounds bridged enough
Thanks! One day it will be a movie…“the train that couldn’t slow down”
Just start denying any male who don’t look like a bodybuilder in the mens room pretty sure then stuff would get figured out.
Anybody remember those SNL skits where a character named Pat was not clearly male or female, and the whole joke was how everyone was just confused about how to address them but still ended up being polite and friendly? I don’t understand how our culture got from there to people demanding proof of gender from strangers.
There’s actually a documentary coming out soon that analyzes Pat through a 2025 lens. I’m excited to see it.
Ooh that does look good! Will keep an eye out for this one.
republicans
And what’s more, ignoring that proof even when presented.
Fascism.
i love movies like that, too, but it definitely wasn’t popular when it was released. and pat was always the butt of the joke. i also have to check my “but we cured racism in the 90s” indoctrination sometimes. fresh prince made me think things were a lot better than they really were back then.
fresh prince made me think things were a lot better than they really were back then.
Fresh Prince had a lot of references to the fact that racism was alive and well in the 90s. Many of those episodes also focus around the theme that even though the Banks’ were wealthy, it still didn’t stop them from being discriminated against, and even caused discrimination from other black people.
The white cops were ready to pepper spray the Banks’ until his white partner shows up
It’s Pat, the movie, was a notorious commercial bomb, and sold basically no tickets.
It was made, though, because the recurring SNL sketch was popular enough to attract the investment.
The second statement is true, and yet hyperbolic. That was the same time that they made the Coneheads movie, another bomb about SNL characters that had not been on screen in like 20 years. And like five other bombs on the same model.
Blues Brothers and Wayne’s World were successful enough that people forget that they originated as SNL sketches. And, because they were the first, they kept on trying.
The category as a whole isn’t exactly very impressive, as movies.
But the originating sketches that developed the characters were…fine.
Yeah, I was a kid when SNL was still airing those skits and they didn’t feel enlightened to me at all. Like, this is the same show that “joked” that Brandon Teena (who was already known to be murdered at that point) deserved to die for reporting his rape. Like, not as a shocking thing a heel would say, just a crass joke. It was hilarious to people then, that’s the environment It’s Pat is in.
The 90s were fucked up, y’all.
You don’t have bathrooms in your room in a hotel?
I realize now that I haven’t been in a hotel many time in my life
Hotels also tend to have banquet rooms, which means they have public restrooms for banquet attendees.
There are also public restrooms.
So, why is it OK for guard man to go inside if there might be a man in there? Does this not double the number of men in the bathroom? I don’t understand bigot logic. The women joining in like that is appalling.
The most shocking thing to me is the women. That random women in line said such things indicates to me that there are bigots everywhere.
“When I do it it’s Morally Right™” Is their basic justification.
pissing?
that one is called “trickle down economics”
My wife and I went to what we thought was a suuuuper leftist bar in Berlin; Marxist stuff all over the walls, anti-Nazi stuff, etc., but the bartender stopped my wife from entering the restroom, accusing them of not being a cis woman. Sullied the whole goddamn vibe of the place.
TERFs are such awkward bigots in that they have no endgame other than to see your fuckin’ genitals. No safety, no greater good, just do you have a dick or not?
now ma’am, I believe that you were born a biological woman like you’re saying, but its company policy that I gotta see that pussy
That’s sexual assault, no?
You don’t get it, its to protect the women! /s
Yes
Hopefully TERFs will learn at some point that discrimination against trans women also harms cis women and empowers the patriarch.
TERFs love the patriarchy, they aren’t feminist at all.
Wait wait
They want the woman to go to the men’s room???
😵💫
Or… Or, is it that maybe gender is like maybe a lil bit gray, and the officer made a mistake? 🧐
I saw a picture of the lady. She is tall, has short hair and kind of masculine facial features, but none of that is an excuse. The male security guard demanded to see her genitals to prove she was female. Female bathrooms only have stalls. Even if she had been a trans woman, no one else in the bathroom would have ever seen her naked crotch and she wouldn’t have seen theirs. The story here is a MALE hotel employee went into a FEMALE BATHROOM and demanded to see a woman’s genitals because she didn’t look girly enough for his standards.
I didn’t see in the article where the guard asked to see the woman’s genitals. That aside, I hope that the woman at least gets a very substantial payout from this harassment.
He demanded that she prove she is female. How exactly would one do that?
According to the article, he asked to see her ID. Which is more than fucked up enough already.
The problem is in the demand itself
Drivers License? of course theres always the possibility its fake, but the likely hood someone carrying a fake one at a hotel I wouldnt think is particularly high
You’d be surprise many fake ids get carried at hotels.
But not usually for proving one’s gender.
Lots of people use fake IDs to check into hotels. They may not want people, like their spouse, to know they were there. I personally made thousands of fake IDs in the late 90s The majority of the customers were probably just teenagers who wanted to buy booze and smokes. A few of them probably wanted to commit identity theft. I never questioned the data they wanted entered on the ID. If you want the name to say Brad Pitt, your name is now Brad Pitt. If you want a birth-date to make you 22 years old, I didn’t care if you looked 15 or if you looked 50. If you said your gender was Female, that’s what I put on the ID. I asked no questions and made no attempt to verify anything they wrote on the form I had them fill out. I did inform them that, while possessing or making such an ID was not a crime, (at the time) presenting it to a law enforcement agent as identification or attempting to buy age restricted products with it was a crime. It was $40 for the ID and you got a free duplicate ID.
This was informative, and unexpectedly candid. I guess I understand downvotes as an expression of disapproval of the act of making fake IDs but if it was legal at the time to make them, then only the ethical argument remains and that’s moot if it’s illegal now.
I feel smartened
I don’t understand the downvotes myself. Everyone out there who didn’t have a fake ID or know someone who had one before turning 21, wished they did. It was legal at the time and location where I was doing it, but it was still shady. I don’t pretend it was ethical. I was an adventurer in my youth. I went to a far away city with no money and no place to stay. It isn’t easy getting off the street without a phone or an address. The kind of jobs you can get are not always 100% legitimate. The ID shop was owned by a local criminal organization and affiliated with the local undercover police. They didn’t care how many IDs we sold to teens who wanted beer. They wanted to know who might be buying them for identity theft. Since what we were doing wasn’t against the law strictly speaking, and we shared information about potential felons, they didn’t bother us.
I think someone at a hotel is more likely to be carrying fake genitalia.
Wow, that’s a leap. You good?
Hope nobody lets him take a crap in peace ever again. Keep barging in on him and demanding he show id.
