You are factually wrong. Police do not push on armed protestors, they may be able to single out a single armed protestor but an armed protest does not get fucked with by police historically
An open carry protestor is not the same thing as one pointing a gun at police. If there is a situation where you felt compelled to use that gun, or to at least use it as a warning against brutality, do you really think police won’t shoot you on the spot?
Even in non violent protests, people with gas masks or supplies of any kind become a higher value person of interest and more likely to face arrest and brutality.
If you really want to bring a gun to a protest, then I suggest to keep it concealed until you think something worth your life will happen if you don’t use it.
If you shoot at police, prepare to get shot. If it’s legal to open carry then you should not expect to get shot by exercising that right. But that doesn’t change the fact that an armed protest forces police to strongly consider de-escalation.
They are brutalizing people in the streets and disappearing people for exercising their 1st amendment rights. Why would they respect the 2nd?
I hate to say it, but we no longer have rights. This is a struggle in which nothing can be claimed we are owed, not by law.
I disagree with your argument, not because I don’t want to fight them too. But because this method seems destined to lead to more death and a longer resistance then I hope to raise my child through.
Non-violent resistance is a proven method of toppling regimes. They need our obedience to remain in power and there are ways to deny them with less bloodshed.
Because the 2nd Amendment comes with an implicit threat. Its very purpose is to be the final check on government power. We only have the rights we’re willing—and able—to protect.
Peaceful protest today has no leverage. It relies on media buy-in and elite shame or schism, of which we have neither. We just saw one of the largest nonviolent protests in U.S. history, and it was either buried or blamed for violence. Lawmakers—even the ones who claim to represent us—have said nothing. ICE still disappears people. Nothing has changed.
I understand why you want a path that avoids more bloodshed. I want that too. But the regime has already chosen brutality, and peaceful resistance alone has no foothold.
I don’t say that because I want violence. I say it because I don’t see any way forward that avoids it. The Piper must be paid. Better on our terms than theirs.
Peaceful protest today has no leverage. It relies on media buy-in and elite shame or schism, of which we have neither.
You need buy in for both non-violent and violent resistance. Media buy in is helpful but not a requirement. We can spread word ourselves and even amongst their own military. We can gain allies within their regime by allowing them to expose themselves.
Ask yourself what kind of buy in is required for a violent resistance? Besides the obvious weapons, ammo, training, strategy, and supplies. There will be people that will not pick up arms to help simply because of the violence, or the requirement of being physically fit.
Change won’t happen over night in either case. However it seems the buy in for non-violence is much cheaper and might see faster adoption.
Again, the regime’s forces are its greatest strength. It is not smart to attack your enemy’s strengths.
You are factually wrong. Police do not push on armed protestors, they may be able to single out a single armed protestor but an armed protest does not get fucked with by police historically
An open carry protestor is not the same thing as one pointing a gun at police. If there is a situation where you felt compelled to use that gun, or to at least use it as a warning against brutality, do you really think police won’t shoot you on the spot?
Even in non violent protests, people with gas masks or supplies of any kind become a higher value person of interest and more likely to face arrest and brutality.
If you really want to bring a gun to a protest, then I suggest to keep it concealed until you think something worth your life will happen if you don’t use it.
If you shoot at police, prepare to get shot. If it’s legal to open carry then you should not expect to get shot by exercising that right. But that doesn’t change the fact that an armed protest forces police to strongly consider de-escalation.
They are brutalizing people in the streets and disappearing people for exercising their 1st amendment rights. Why would they respect the 2nd?
I hate to say it, but we no longer have rights. This is a struggle in which nothing can be claimed we are owed, not by law.
I disagree with your argument, not because I don’t want to fight them too. But because this method seems destined to lead to more death and a longer resistance then I hope to raise my child through.
Non-violent resistance is a proven method of toppling regimes. They need our obedience to remain in power and there are ways to deny them with less bloodshed.
Because the 2nd Amendment comes with an implicit threat. Its very purpose is to be the final check on government power. We only have the rights we’re willing—and able—to protect.
Peaceful protest today has no leverage. It relies on media buy-in and elite shame or schism, of which we have neither. We just saw one of the largest nonviolent protests in U.S. history, and it was either buried or blamed for violence. Lawmakers—even the ones who claim to represent us—have said nothing. ICE still disappears people. Nothing has changed.
I understand why you want a path that avoids more bloodshed. I want that too. But the regime has already chosen brutality, and peaceful resistance alone has no foothold.
I don’t say that because I want violence. I say it because I don’t see any way forward that avoids it. The Piper must be paid. Better on our terms than theirs.
You need buy in for both non-violent and violent resistance. Media buy in is helpful but not a requirement. We can spread word ourselves and even amongst their own military. We can gain allies within their regime by allowing them to expose themselves.
Ask yourself what kind of buy in is required for a violent resistance? Besides the obvious weapons, ammo, training, strategy, and supplies. There will be people that will not pick up arms to help simply because of the violence, or the requirement of being physically fit.
Change won’t happen over night in either case. However it seems the buy in for non-violence is much cheaper and might see faster adoption.
Again, the regime’s forces are its greatest strength. It is not smart to attack your enemy’s strengths.