The difference is calling an Asian person yellow has a long and very racist precedent. It would be akin to saying Obama looks like Curious George because A) he fucking doesn’t and neither does Xi look like Winnie and B) there are similarly obvious racial connotations between saying a black man looks like a monkey and that an Asian man looks like a literally yellow character.
I stand corrected. This really is a serious answer. I finally understand the point.
I still disagree.
When I think Winnie the Pooh I think round face much more than yellow. Yellow is a very common color in cartoons. You can’t deny that. If that was the only reason, there’s a whole pool to chose from.
Comparing black people with non human monkeys plays on the historical “scientific racism” that puts white people on the top and black people somewhere close to apes and Asians somewhere in between (depending on political affiliations). Nowhere in history has anyone put Asians close to bears. Even if the motivation is skin color (which I cannot disprove), the comparison to black people as monkeys falls flat.
When I think Winnie the Pooh I think round face much more than yellow.
It doesn’t matter what you think. It what it’s received as. Also check out the first instance of the meme which has 💯 racist connotations. The one with xi and Obama compared to Winnie and… ? To which racial slur does the other character sound similar to?
From what I found, Obama was compared to T*gger. Sure, I see the rhyme and I’m sure it doesn’t matter what I think but I think this is far fetched. Other leaders were compared to other figures in the franchise. If you try to find something, you will. source
Also, this seams to be huge within China. Chinese people mocking their leader and the state censors it. And when people mock their leader, I side with the people, not the leader.
Racist dog whistles tend to sound like they are far fetched. They also have plausible deniability built into them e.g. the OK sign, pepe the frog memes, etc
Fact is: whenever you see some “anti-authoritrian” post the Winnie meme only to “criticize the CCP [sic]” you get a fuck ton of sinophobic comments from western libs below it and the OP never distancing themselves from it and often times doing it themselves too
This at least makes sense. I never encountered it so I’m still not convinced. Can you link some?
Also, this gives me “critiquing Israel is antisemitism” vibes. Might be a false tho. I think it’s important to question all power and all states and I would never be offended when someone mocks my head of state (who does not only look like Burns but resembles him in other ways too)
my understanding is that China’s population is largely satisfied with their government, and I can understand that since I’ve seen nothing but endless improvements year over year for the last ten years now, despite constant “china’s about to collapse” and other actually insane propaganda about China so yeah pardon me for thinking you should back up your claim that “calling xi jinping winnie the poo is huge in china (even though the GOVERNMENT will KILL YOU FOR IT)”
How does mocking their leader even translate to economic growth or what ever metric you are using?
how many citizens in how many countries do you know readily mock their leaders when shit is going good, and what would you think would motivate them to do so?
I’m not talking “shit is going good” like in America for the last XX years where “the economy” is “doing well” but wages are stagnant and costs for basic goods and services inflate exponentially year over year, I’m talking “the government planned on insane infrastructure investments that would take 5 years but actually got it done in 3, now you can go across the country in 4 hours on a high speed train, 90%+ of the country owns a home, and wages and real benefits are increasing exponentially at the same pace you see their depreciation in western countries”
which like no fucking shit, they actually plan for the future (which western countries have literally used as propaganda i.e. 15 years ago the “ghost city” bullshit where they alleged China built fake cities to juice their GDP. Surprise 10 years later people fucking live in them!) and aren’t beholden to the golden principle of “nothing can happen unless it makes the already ultra rich ultra richer”
anyway, going back to you backing up your claim that “it seems huge” in China to “mock Xi Jinping” as being Winnie the Pooh, yeah, you wanna do that? Or are you just a bloviating piece of shit shit-lib two steps away from becoming a fascist?
The difference is calling an Asian person yellow has a long and very racist precedent. It would be akin to saying Obama looks like Curious George because A) he fucking doesn’t and neither does Xi look like Winnie and B) there are similarly obvious racial connotations between saying a black man looks like a monkey and that an Asian man looks like a literally yellow character.
When I think Winnie the Pooh I think round face much more than yellow. Yellow is a very common color in cartoons. You can’t deny that. If that was the only reason, there’s a whole pool to chose from.
Comparing black people with non human monkeys plays on the historical “scientific racism” that puts white people on the top and black people somewhere close to apes and Asians somewhere in between (depending on political affiliations). Nowhere in history has anyone put Asians close to bears. Even if the motivation is skin color (which I cannot disprove), the comparison to black people as monkeys falls flat.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/21791130
It doesn’t matter what you think. It what it’s received as. Also check out the first instance of the meme which has 💯 racist connotations. The one with xi and Obama compared to Winnie and… ? To which racial slur does the other character sound similar to?
From what I found, Obama was compared to T*gger. Sure, I see the rhyme and I’m sure it doesn’t matter what I think but I think this is far fetched. Other leaders were compared to other figures in the franchise. If you try to find something, you will. source
Also, this seams to be huge within China. Chinese people mocking their leader and the state censors it. And when people mock their leader, I side with the people, not the leader.
Racist dog whistles tend to sound like they are far fetched. They also have plausible deniability built into them e.g. the OK sign, pepe the frog memes, etc
Fact is: whenever you see some “anti-authoritrian” post the Winnie meme only to “criticize the CCP [sic]” you get a fuck ton of sinophobic comments from western libs below it and the OP never distancing themselves from it and often times doing it themselves too
This at least makes sense. I never encountered it so I’m still not convinced. Can you link some?
Also, this gives me “critiquing Israel is antisemitism” vibes. Might be a false tho. I think it’s important to question all power and all states and I would never be offended when someone mocks my head of state (who does not only look like Burns but resembles him in other ways too)
You base this on…?
John Oliver said so, which means it’s true.
Oh yes, this is the kind of reaction I expected from the start. Thank others that they proved me wrong.
People pointing out that a claim has no basis or evidence is proving it wrong
my understanding is that China’s population is largely satisfied with their government, and I can understand that since I’ve seen nothing but endless improvements year over year for the last ten years now, despite constant “china’s about to collapse” and other actually insane propaganda about China so yeah pardon me for thinking you should back up your claim that “calling xi jinping winnie the poo is huge in china (even though the GOVERNMENT will KILL YOU FOR IT)”
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how many citizens in how many countries do you know readily mock their leaders when shit is going good, and what would you think would motivate them to do so?
I’m not talking “shit is going good” like in America for the last XX years where “the economy” is “doing well” but wages are stagnant and costs for basic goods and services inflate exponentially year over year, I’m talking “the government planned on insane infrastructure investments that would take 5 years but actually got it done in 3, now you can go across the country in 4 hours on a high speed train, 90%+ of the country owns a home, and wages and real benefits are increasing exponentially at the same pace you see their depreciation in western countries”
which like no fucking shit, they actually plan for the future (which western countries have literally used as propaganda i.e. 15 years ago the “ghost city” bullshit where they alleged China built fake cities to juice their GDP. Surprise 10 years later people fucking live in them!) and aren’t beholden to the golden principle of “nothing can happen unless it makes the already ultra rich ultra richer”
anyway, going back to you backing up your claim that “it seems huge” in China to “mock Xi Jinping” as being Winnie the Pooh, yeah, you wanna do that? Or are you just a bloviating piece of shit shit-lib two steps away from becoming a fascist?
Yeah what the hell was that person thinking, asking you to show any evidence for the garbage that you spew without any regard for accuracy
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If you want to be treated with respect, behave in a way deserving of respect.
You are literally in the meme. You’re the racist liberal.
Please leave and don’t come back.