I didnt have much to begin with only lost about 12k, I have nothing anyway. My mother lost roughly 100k in her retirement fund from all this crashing. My grandmother even more. How much have you lost in Trump’s Tantrum Tariffs game?
Actual numbers?
Approaching a half million.
That’s from two people’s combined lifetime efforts at saving for retirement. We max out our retirement contributions and live modestly, I have a mandatory retirement age by law, and we can only hope that the markets will return our savings by then.
For the record, it’s shitty that people’s retirements are tied to the stock market.
401(k) plans never meant to be a complete retirement plan. Where does that leave future retirees?
I read somewhere and can’t find it anymore, but up to 40% of the stock market value is comprised of peoples’ retirement savings or plans.
So you can see how devastating this stock market decline could be if it gets worse, on top of all the issues with jobs it will cause.
$25k and climbing but thankfully that’s pretty much all in my retirement and I’m not touching it for several more decades.
Had $120,000 at the start of the year. Had planned to pull at the beginning of the year, I didn’t. It dropped to $100,000 by early March of I remember correctly. I moved the money into a money market account after that. Where I had the money at has tanked quite a bit more after that. Not sure when I’ll get back in yet. Yes I realize it could recover before I get back in but so far I’ve made the right decision. S&P took major hits recently.
Nothing invested means nothing to lose! Never got to play the fucking game.
$100k when I checked on Friday. Not going to check again, that way madness lies.
An entire lifetime of work, living modestly, saving, funding my retirement accounts, paying a financial advisor to help me make responsible decisions.
Blown up by that orange turd.
I haven’t looked, but I cut the US out of my portfolio well before this. Probably some, but not too much, and I like my prospects once the tariff selloff is over. Actually, if I can swing it through an available institution I might go even shorter on the US with equity futures.
I retired early in September. I lost about 30k. I put this years Roth investment into a cd that doesn’t mature for 3 years because I knew what was coming.
It’s strange but now that I’m not working the loss bothers me less. I think I hated my job so much losing money made me feel like all that hard work and misery was futile.
Luckily, I don’t plan to live off my retirement investments for another 10 years. I reduced my cost of living by building a tiny house, and living super minimally. I live on what could qualify me for food stamps in my city. Instead I have a garden and I grow food.
I have a part time side business that pays most of my expenses and it tends to do better even with economic turmoil because it’s cheaper than buying imports. Sales are up 10% over the same time last year.
I won’t dare to look.
Underrated approach.
Just started my retirement fund last year, so far I have lost only $4K but I was being very moderate in my investments.
Well if you can you should max it out now.
Yep, buy low. Don’t try to time it. Just buy low and DCA.
Lost a few grands, I don’t have much but I was overly leveraged. Not liquidated though, so it might turn around
once the little people sell their assets for pennies, they will just bulk buy it at a bargain and reverse the shitty decisions that made it crash.
just legalized robbery-with-extra-steps.
You make it sound mandatory. Every financial literacy thing will tell you not to panic sell.
not everyone has good financial education, and not everyone can afford to lose so much money when they are currently living off it.
Yep. Poverty sucks. If you can’t afford a portfolio you won’t be affected, though.
Vulnerable people giving away money without googling it first is a thing that happens, but that’s not exactly a conspiracy either.
thats sometimes peoples life savings. not that this makes me specially sad, but isn’t a lot of retirement schemes in the US tied to the stock market?
Yes and no. With investments, there’s a tradeoff between volatility (how much it grows and shrinks) and average growth rate over the long term. If you’re getting old you really should switch to something less volatile.
I’m young and can just wait this out, so I’m invested in (all non-US, thankfully) stocks, which are high-volatility. That’s fine. If I was 60 I’d have moved most or all of my stuff out.
(I should mention that I’m actually below the poverty line myself income-wise, and I’m still on team eat-the-rich, plz don’t hate me)
I hope no one sells, if anything they should buy more. Assuming, and that’s a big word here, they can afford to.
the fact its crashing so hard means quite a bunch of money was already pulled out.
Appreciated, I was more referring to the ordinary folk that wouldn’t have that level of influence. But I suppose that that’s passed.
Haven’t sold the 401k, will just hold through it. In my brokerage account, I was up and had been DCAing. I lost about 1/3rd of my profits before I sold it all a few weeks ago. I’m still up overall, and was holding lots of cash in the last several years anyway because I thought we were due for a big downturn. At this rate, though, I’m not really looking to buy the dip. I’m instead planning to move my money abroad and, if I can, find a better place to live than the US.
All my loss has had nothing to do with the economy.
I’ve had basically everything I own in life thrown away. Twice. Once when I was 19 and got a job on a cruise ship; my parents sold my car and had my siblings move everything out of my room so my brother could take the room, and those two assholes just threw everything in the trash.
It happened again when I got married and my (now ex) wife got rid of everything of mine that I had before we met.
Ouch, baby. Very Ouch.
I lost zero because the number going down doesn’t equal the value going down. You only lose if you panic sell.
You still lose time, and are now stuck in an unprofitable investment rather than a profitable one. So you are also losing all the value you would have gained had we stayed the course instead of doing this dumb shit. Thats called opportunity cost.
You’re not wrong but they are also right. You’ve lost nothing until you’ve pulled out of the market. And unless you need that money within the next 18 months, that would be a colossally dumb thing to do. Even then I would probably advise against it.
Look up the stock market around March 2020. Huge dip then rebound to pretty much the same trajectory. As long as you left your stuff to sit, you’re still doing fine. There’s no reason to think the massive rebound would have still occurred without the dip.
I fortuitously moved all my VTI into VTV a couple weeks ago to divest myself of TSLA, and over the past two days have been actively keeping the balance of my 60/40 equities/bonds portfolio by selling a little bit of BND and BNDX to get some more VTV as it sunk. Didn’t need to modify the VXUS portion.
Sure was nice to have those bond portions to assuage the decline.
Trying to beat the market is a waste of time. You’re not stuck in an unprofitable investment unless you’re trying to get rich quick. You invest based on your strategy and value of said investment. It isn’t just because the number goes up and down. Time in the market wins every time. Read the founder of Vanguard’s book on investing.
Ordinarily, yes. But in this case, we’re dealing with a type of risk we don’t usually have to worry about: sovereign risk. It is entirely possible that Trump could be fucking up the country in ways that the market will never come back from because companies just get entirely destroyed or nationalized or who knows what.
In that sort of case, changing your investments – not timing the market, but responding to the potentially permanent difference in circumstances – can make sense.
This dip isn’t even because of some fundamental issues on the market. It’s just the reaction of scared individuals to what a single person says. When that same person the next month says something else the opposite can happen.
7% average annual growth includes dozens of market crashes and two world wars. This is not new, unique or surprising situation in any shape or form. I bet it wont take even a year untill we’re back at all time high.
Yep. I’m amazed at how many Lemmy people don’t realize this.
Yeah, this thread is very surprising
Right!? I mean, Lemmy on the average is wealthier and smarter than the average person, but what is going on in this thread?! lmao
Well… You only lose if the value doesn’t go up. A small but very important difference.
This is the perfect mantra for getting scammed. It’ll always go back up, guaranteed! Just keep putting money in, you only lose if you take money out! Yes, it has worked so far, but past performance does not guarantee future results.
You’ve got two choices. 1 - continue to invest using DCA even thought the market is down.
2 - sell, move your money to a CMA or something, likely at a loss for some of it, and pay your capital gains.
Because the option you are engaging in FUD over is that the market does not come back up. My friend, if everything goes to shit in that scenario and you don’t have a pile of cash under your mattress, you’re just as fucked as everyone else. There will be a run on the banks and there will be no money for anyone. So either put stacks of $20s in the freezer or keep investing.
I’m not arguing the market never comes back up, but there have been prolonged periods of time where markets do not recover to previous highs. After the great depression, the US stock market took about 30 years to recover to its previous high and continue growing (https://www.macrotrends.net/2324/sp-500-historical-chart-data). Similarly, it took Japan’s stock market 30 years to recover to its previous high (https://www.macrotrends.net/2593/nikkei-225-index-historical-chart-data) and it’s already on its way down.
The stock market does not represent economic reality. There are too many tricks with leverage in many forms, including derivatives, which distort the true value. Too much importance is placed on this glorified casino and for the past few decades, the go-to solution has been to pump money into the system at any sign of trouble. It’s not sustainable to keep feeding this beast for the sake of the ultrawealthy who own the vast majority of it.
A stock market crash does not necessarily mean a run on the banks. There was a run on the banks after the stock market crash of 1929 because banks were over-leveraged with loans used to pump the stock market. That same mistake is being made now, but the difference this time is the government guaranteeing deposits. There are other issues where the government may not be able to fulfill those guarantees, but at that point, is this fragile system worth keeping up? We can’t keep it up forever.
It’s not FUD to point out that infinite growth is not sustainable. On the flipside, the permanent optimism of claiming the line will always go up in the end and not taking into account the amount of time it can take for that to happen is irrational. The key as always is to diversify, but the makeup of that diversification can vary greatly and the stability of the stock market is not guaranteed.
You’re arguing both sides of the coin. Pick one. It also doesn’t really change what I said. You either stay in and hope, or get out and pay the tax man. Your call.
For something like a 401k, changing your allocations has no tax events. For the rest, most of your holdings will be long term and will qualify for a mere 15% or lower tax rate: https://www.bankrate.com/investing/long-term-capital-gains-tax/#what-is-the-long-term-capital-gains-tax-rate
So you want to stay in? Got it.
I don’t know how you got that impression but perhaps you’re just interpreting my comments through green-tinted permabull lenses.
Well… you haven’t watched the stock market or any money market enough then.
I’ve definitely seen the endless liquidity and leverage pumped into the system, I just don’t think it’s sustainable.
Nothing because I haven’t sold anything and aren’t planning to either. I hold and keep buying more. Just like I did thru the previous dips.
Keep calm and hold, that is the way.
I had a trust fund of stocks and my mum said she sold them whenever a crash happened… Why…
