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    How the fuck is swatting even a thing?

    Can just anyone call the police, yell “BOMB AT X ADDRESS!” and they just show up, tear down doors and throw you to the ground???

    All, without repercussions???

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      Not only without repercussions, but without reparations. Anything destroyed or damaged is on the owner to replace/fix, including the pile of splinters formerly known as your front door

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      What else are they going to do with all of that excessive money and time…and desire to shoot people?

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      In my state there is a law that makes false call to 911 a criminal offense. If someone says “there is a bomb” on such call, that makes it more serious offence because this will cause public alarm. If the person making such call is stupid enough to do it from their phone, they will likely be identified and prosecuted. And people doing stupid things tend to be that stupid.

      I’m not sure about damages caused by the raid, though. SWAT doesn’t know if the threat is real or not, so they can’t be held liable. Probably the victim can sue the caller, if they’ve been found…

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        How about the police do, idk, like 5 min of police work to verify literally any part of the story first?

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            Call people in the neighborhood, ask if anything is off? Send in a single car to scope out the scene, while keeping reinforcements in the wings? Ask 911 where the call originated, and adjust expectations based on that?

            At least two of these things can be done while the police begins to move towards the destination, as intel gathering doesn’t require policeman to be making the inquiries, just support staff.

            0000

            Fact of the matter, is that American police are the same breed of ‘warrior’ that Pete Hegseth is: Bloodthirsty, undisciplined, incompetent, and in service to powers of capital and hate, not the citizens they are supposed to serve.

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            Uvalde was time sensitive and real and yet we have video of police standing around in the hallways scrolling through Facebook on their phones while children were being murdered just feet away. Those pigs didn’t face any accountability. Don’t forget police took cases all the way to the Supreme Court to have it declared that they have zero duty to protect people.

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            Like what? Do you have an example?

            I don’t really believe that swat is necessary even in theory.

            If someone is being held hostage, call in a negotiator. If it’s a bomb, bomb squad. What precisely is the swat team for?

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          Exactly. They treat this like a bomb threat when the perpetrator gets arrested, but completely gloss over the fact that the police are “the bomb” in this scenario and as human beings, they have full agency over their own actions. They should most definitely spend 5 minutes to determine the real situation but they dont because they never face accountability and just go off of whatever some random caller told them, especially when it means playing soldier.

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          Exactly, like asking “is the caller even in the same area? Who lives there? Is this place usually agitated?” Which seems like they would need to know before going in anyway…

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      Cops live for that shit dude. They do it themselves for fun every once in a while, this just makes the excuses easier for them.

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    Info about Grandma Crackers’ fundraisers for her grandson’s cancer treatment and Phoenix Children’s Hospital.

    https://thegrandmafund.com/

    They also created a crypto token where the fees go to the previously mentioned fundraisers.

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        Love it how banks managed to convince everyone that crypto is bad, so they can stay rich and in power of controlling your money.

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          banks managed to convince everyone

          I don’t think banks have been in charge of the countless pump and dump crypto schemes in recent years. And Bankman-Fried (despite his name) wasn’t running a bank.

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            You know why there’s much less fraud with banks? Because they’re regulated. You know why crypto is not regulated? Because banks don’t want it, it’s bad for business.

            And if you think billionaires/bankers won’t do everything in their power to hold on to that power and money, including campaigns to make crypto look bad, and everything in their power to hide their own crimes, you are are heavily misguided.

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              I didn’t say “banks good”, I said “crypto bros (also) bad”. You don’t think the ones running the crypto schemes are also “greedy corrupt pedophiles”? Maybe you’re “heavily misguided”.

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                Dude, did you not know that most cryptos, the good ones, are decentralised. Tell me, who owns BTC? Spoiler alert - no one.

                Are cryptos perfect? No, but you should really educate yourself about cryptos, beyond the Facebook posts you saw.

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            Oh, I didn’t know that billionaires are honest and law abiding people. Not some greedy corrupt pedophiles, no no no.

            “Please, Mr. Billionaire, take my money, I know you will do good things with it. I’ll even kiss your boots to take my money.”

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    Props to Grannycrackers for handling the aftermath with such grace and humour. Not sure I would be half as composed as her. (Or half as chuffed at getting to ride in a police car.) Hope she smashes her fundraising target.

    Looking forwards to the news of the arrest of the no-lifer who swatted her.

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      It doesn’t say. I did find another article that says it’s for her grandson’s cancer treatment so it might be an ongoing thing.

      EDIT: I found this. Looks like she also donates money to Phoenix Children’s Hospital

      https://thegrandmafund.com/

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    Is she using X-ray and macros or something to cheat at Minecraft? Seeing very little discussion of the video.

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    Funny how these supposedly specialized police officers have such a cool name, SWAT, because of course they do because it’s the US and they have to look and sound cool and do cool stuff.

    Never mind that they supposed to be serving and protecting the citizens

    I know these specialized teams also exist in other countries. What are they called there? No fucking idea, but it ain’t cool because in those countries, those guys are actually the real deal and they don’t need cool nicknames or military equipment, they are there to do a job.

    Fuck, the US always was such a shit show, why are you people allowing police to be so fucking put of control?

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      You thinking SWAT sounds cool is on you. Though the marketing does help, tv series, movies, games etc.

      In Sweden we call our equivalent “Strike Force” but in swedish of course. And they basically have access to whatever they need to get the job done. That’s why they exist. And personally, i think their name is pretty cool. It’s very direct and you know instantly upon hearing it what it is they do.

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      why are you people allowing police to be so fucking put of control?

      Two issues. One is that some asshole did a fraudulent call and police had to respond.

      Other is that due to gun proliferation they can take it lightly and have to assume the worst

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      I can’t speak for anywhere else, but here in Canada, emergency response team is not a full time job (except in the largest metro areas). Members do regular police work until an emergency.

      And even if the cities with full time ERT, they rarely respond as a full team. They are often dispatched to assist constables for other duties. It’s very rare for a full rollout of a tactical ERT team here. And even more rare that shots are fired.

      Edit: I am in no way a police expert, but I learned a lot when I worked on a rollout of a body camera program.

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    you have to be one sick twisted individual to be swatting a person, let alone a freaking elderly woman

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      While she’s trying to raise money for her grandkid’s cancer treatment, no less.

      Seriously, fuck whoever did this.

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          With cancer even with places that do have socialized medical care you might still need a lot of money.

          Cancer sucks.

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            I agree cancer sucks, but how do you need money? There is no fee to access healthcare here.

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              You get care that is covered, there might still be some drugs and experimental treatments that isn’t. This is because there’s still no actual cure for cancer.

              This is why you still can see people collecting money for treatments even when they have socialized medical care.

              When your cancer can be treated with already approved treatments then you are golden otherwise you do suffer similarly.

              This is not attack on socialized medical care, you are still better than no care, you might still get radiation, chemotherapy etc, it is more attack on situation cancer can create.

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          She couldve died, they frequently shoot innocent people and animals during these raids

          Swatting is fucked up

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            The most fucked up thing is that SWAT teams keep falling for it. What fucking information did they have that warranted this level of a response? How the fuck is someone not fired every time this happens?

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            No, but the attention they’re getting is probably orders of magnitude bigger after this, and attention=money in this case

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                This was objectively a bad decision, but regardless, none of us would be here talking about this streamer if it hadn’t happened. Most won’t donate, but the more people that see it, the more likely it is that someone will donate.

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            They didn’t say THAT HAPPENED FOR SURE, they said “dark thought”

            You’re allowed to post random thoughts on the internet

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                I didn’t yell, I capitalized part of my comment for effect. You can to that on the internet, too! You can also take people’s comments out of context, like you did, but then you’re liable to incur the wrath of some twat correcting you.

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      We’re in Generation Duh where people think doing this kind of thing is funny. But it’s funny only to them, was thought up of in 2 minutes, then discarded once any attention has been brought to it before they think of the next stupid idea that they think is funny.

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      Oh this absolutely happens here in europe too, just not with such a needlessly large amount of cops. Makes it no less dangerous though.

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        Yes it’s less dangerous (not dangerless obviously), in Europe the swat teams tend to be better trained and way less trigger happy than in USA. Had they busted in there they likely would not have shot an elderly woman found inside, whereas in USA that’s more likely to happen. They don’t just go in and start shooting, otherwise we would have “random kids and women accidentally murdered in a police bust” headlines all the time as well

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        Do elderly women have to stream videos to pay for cancer treatments? My father has cancer, and all his bills this year add up to €0. Well, sometimes I leave the car in a paid parking lot; in the whole year it’s probably been around €20.

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        America has “police by intimidation” as its default response. Most of Europe seems to have “police by consent” as the default.

        It leads to a different mentality. They might still roll out the whole cavalry, but it will more likely be led by a polite knock at the door, and an initial attempt to de-escalate.

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          You’re being a little too optimistic, there. It might not be the same toxic culture, but ACAB.

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            I have been stopped while doing something illegal that was a minor infraction, but still caught red handed, could have easily been fined, but was let go with a verbal promise to do better and the whole interaction was very civil. Also a few months ago the police recovered stolen items and managed to detective their way to me to return them as well as caught the bastards that did it. The whole process was honestly impressive and the cops I dealt with were just awesome. My interaction with police throughout my life has been at worst neutral but mostly positive. In Europe ACAB is bullshit as far as I’m concerned and anyone who uses it here is memeing after the Americans where it sounds like it’s 100% applicable.

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              ‘Europe’ is a generalisation though. I’m sure this might ring true in Scandinavia and some other northern countries, but might also be a completely different story in Greece, Italy, etc.

              I mean, yes, saying ACAB is a blatant generalisation too.

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            The UK force has its problems, but it functions fairly well. It also has a lot of people in it who honestly want to do a good job.

            The problem is the rules and mandates coming down from the government. (And the political upper management level of the police)

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              They seem to put an inordinate amount of effort into suppressing free speech, prioritizing it over going after actual fucking crimes.

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                Agreed on that. Though in the scale of the UK there aren’t that many cases. The ones there are however, are (deliberately) high profile. It has a chilling effect on the population, without needing to use it much.

                They also hamstring the bobbies via the budget assignments. I know a lot of forces would love to get rid of some of the more overtly racist/sexist/other-ist officers. Their budget limits wages however, which limits the selection of replacements. They end up having to try and weed out the ringleaders (to fire or retire) and split the followers up.

                The long and the short, most of the police are working class and do the job to try and make our country better. Some are even trying to counter the bullshit rolling down from on high.

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        They mentioned in the video more cops came because they wanted to meet the gaming grandma, and they cleared the scene pretty quick.

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        I don’t think a grandma would have to raise money for cancer treatment in the EU…

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      It’s only be more American if the cops entered her home and shot her while claiming a controller was a gun