“This is how we should order our lives together,” he said. “And frankly, yes, we are going to impose it upon you. If you don’t like it, I’m sorry, but this is good and right and just if it lines up with God’s standards, and I am going to enforce my morality on you in as much as our morality is God’s morality.”
“You should always check yourselves,” he continued. “Do I believe what God believes? Am I defending what God says is good?”
“And if it is, then you should have the courage to say, ‘This is how we’re going to run our town, this is how we’re going to run our county, this is how we’re going to run our state, and this is how we should run the United States of America by legislating the morality that we can find in the Bible.'”
Theocracies must die.
they often get teary eyed like Jerry Falwell. when punched
And the head of their entire structure has never been religious and, in fact, matches their description of the anti-Christ.
They even carry the mark of the beast upon their heads.
Start by imposing them on the Idiot in Chief!!
The non Harris voters here defiantly standing on their own in the corner pretending this is somehow equal to Harris being president are pathetic.
Let’s be real, you had to be bad at your job to loose that race. It’s pathetic we’re making excuses for our “leaders” when they led us down this path for so long. Still would vote for her again though .
Mmm yes I’m sure the fact she is a woman of colour had no influence whatsoever
Harris is a neoliberal so not nearly as progressive as I would like but on election day I still voted for her.
She was orders of magnitude the less awful candidate.
Yeah agreed I wanted Warren. But like, anyone trying to semantic argue staying home, or saying they’re proud they didn’t vote this time are worse than trump supporters.
“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.” - Denis Diderot
How are they going to impose Christian values if they don’t know what those are?
Hating gays and black people. They know them very well. Oh yeah and raping kids. They predator handshake with christians about that
I think the Bible I read had the pages where Jesus raped kids and slung racist slurs at minorities ripped out.
Clearly, based on their voting history, those values are to horde wealth and rape children.
“the morality we can find in the Bible”
It’s ok to own human beings as property: “As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves. You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you and from their families who are with you who have been born in your land; they may be your property. You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property.”
Its ok to rape young girls (is God in the Epstein files?): “So now, kill all the boys, as well as every woman who has had relations with a man, but spare for yourselves every girl who has never had relations with a man.”
It’s ok to kill babies: Thus says the Lord of hosts: "I will punish the Amalekites for what they did in opposing the Israelites when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and attack Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.”
When David had an affair and had the woman’s husband killed, God killed his baby and had his wives publically raped: "Thus says the Lord: I will raise up trouble against you from within your own house, and I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. For you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all Israel and in broad daylight.”
I have rarely seen a nation further from “christian values” than the United States at this moment.
This guy is an Atheist, running a scam, as are MOST religious leaders. They absolutely do not believe in God, or any kind of an afterlife, because if they did, they would NEVER support the obviously heinous behavior of MAGA. They would be too defensive of their immortal soul. The fact that they are jumping in with full support of MAGA’s obviously, cartoonishly evil agenda, proves who they really are.
Religion is a business, and should be treated like one. There is nothing in the Constitution that gives churches some special benefit. In fact, it literally says that the government should not be supporting any religion. So why does the government support religion by making it tax exempt?
EVERY church should be investigated, and most should be abolished as illegal tax avoidance scams. The rest should be heavily taxed, with the tax revenue earmarked for the public good, not military or law enforcement in any way. It should ALL go into the fund for Social Safety Nets, including universal health care.
And it should also be strongly regulated, with their donations being public record. Tithes should be heavily regulated, and the money fully accounted for. All churches should be operated with the same legal obligations as any other business.
I am not so sure about this. At the top, fundamentalist have convinced themselves that God can choose champions who are above all of his rules. They are chosen, they can do whatever the fuck they want. Rest of the people, of course, needs to abide to “God’s rules”.
At the bottom, it’s kept simple: anything and anyone they dislike is anti-christian (that can be stretched to no end).Nonsense, nobody with the intelligence to start a church and convince people to join it, believes that kind of nonsense. It is LITERALLY like believing in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, and INSISTING that our entire society should be configured to follow the rules that Santa Claus and/or the Easter Bunny demands. And who interprets those demands? Those same religious leaders. And surprise! Those demands include doing everything those leaders tell you to do without hesitation or question, and giving them as much money as you can possibly come up with.
It’s a scam, and they KNOW it’s a scam. NONE of them believe in God, or they would be absolutely certain that they are destined for Hell. Or maybe they do, and they know that since they’re going to Hell anyway, they might as well take advantage of the fun on Earth, before they go to their eternity of getting poked in the ass with a pitchfork, or whatever their weird cult believes.
I think it’s a mix, with overlap, and the ratios are tough to determine. Opportunists and believers align in stroking their egos and celebrating class or human exceptionalism. I imagine the tip-top of the pyramid consists primarily of opportunists, but I’d not be surprised if they’ve crafted their own batshit philosophies that justify their imagined superiority. The more dogmatic, rigid, and traditional ideas are reserved for the plebs.
Also, I don’t think that intelligence obviates belief/ego; in fact, I wager it can lead to an even more spurious web of justification, like epstein and the dark enlightenment bros. People are crazy and environmental chaos will amplify it.
I’m not christian, but I think my moral values of not committing heinous acts are superior to the Christian values of those acts being ok if you ask sky daddy forgiveness afterwards.
Raised Catholic, currently atheist:
That’s not really what is said in the bible about forgiveness - it’s very clearly stated that god knows your heart and there is no forgiveness without true penance. That’s not “say 5 hail mary’s and 3 lord’s prayer and you’re all good”, that’s a run-off effect of the middle-ages “indulgences”, where someone could be “forgiven” their sins for a payment to the church.
Actual forgiveness as described several times in the bible explicitly requires the confessor to be truly sorry for their sin (contrition), and a real commitment to do better in the future. This is a fairly concise summary of what the bible says about contrition, confession and forgiveness: https://biblehub.com/topical/c/contrition.htm
TL;DR - There is no forgiveness if you are not truly sorry and if you don’t do your best to be better.
Ah, I see you’re trying to crusade, please indulge me: is correcting somebody who’s being facetious and antichristian worth your time while you could be doing something to fight white christofascism? Or are you providing them smokescreen?
Their “morals”
Hey, fucking moron, you have two run-on sentences, and an “if” that’s never resolved. Does your church teach you how to grammar?
It will be a small, hollow victory.
But I hope I can hear the MAGAs cry, when they find out “Christian Nation” means they can’t get booze and pr0n anymore.
I once trained a guy who worked with some of the Saudi royals. He was really cool, wasn’t Saudi (Jordanian, the poor Arabs without oil), and wasn’t a practicing Muslim. The subject of alcohol came up, and I said that it was illegal over there, and he said “Not for the royal family. They have rooms filled with cases of booze. I’ve seen it, often. The people can’t drink, but the royal family definitely does.”
If the house of saud could maintain their power without the clerics you bet your ass they would. The clerics are an allied power who could turn against them if they got out of line.
They both like the control that each other offers. It’s a good, perfectly complementary partnership…for them.
All of the things that will be forbidden to us under “bible law” will of course be widely available to the very wealthy and the Republican elites. That’s part of living in a totalitarian state.
Religious freaks always claim that their religion gives them a moral center, and atheist have no moral center, and they don’t understand why atheists aren’t out raping and pillaging all the time.
Or maybe they are, and they’re all helping each other hide it. That’s it, all the problems in the world are caused by secret atheists with no moral center, not the people starting a multi-faith Holy World War 3 to kick off The Rapture. It’s all the Atheists’ faults.
Anyone claiming atheists have no moral value because they have no God should be kept under close monitoring. They’re saying out loud they have urges to kill, rape and rampage and only God prevents them from doing those!
And you’re saying you heard this “God” talk to you? Don’t worry these nice people in white are here to help you.
Exactly.
