If only Democrats had the stones to do this.
Sweet. $17/hr * 40 = $680 a week * 4 = $2720 a month * 52 = $32640 all before tax. Still not enough to live on.
They need to stop using fixed values and switch to a calculation based on GDP, cost of living, inflation, and other such factors. If you do that you don’t need to keep fighting to increase it.
By 2030, $17 will be the equivalent of $5/hr. Can we just skip the bullshit and tie minimum wage to 2xSGA@40hr/wk? Right now that’d be about $18.70
What is SGA?
Screen Guild… Actors
Is this a joke…?
Trump proposes bill to make minimum tip $17.
Should read “benefiting all Americans”
How this would help Chileans?
Hurr hurrrr
It’ll need to be $400 by 2030 to keep up with Trumpflation.
It already realistically needs to be between 25-30 an hr to even be considered a living wage.
Too bad too many don’t consider minimum wage as something that should be a living wage
Yea, those people should be
re-educated.
Fuck that you centrist. Abolish the wage system.
…what would that even look like?
Communism.
Abolition of for profit companies. Worker owned collectives that split all of the profits from the labour between the workers who produced the profit, as the workers vote to decide how to spend it.
Anarcho Syndicalism.
Here’s what the Vancouver IWW has to say about abolishing the wage system: https://www.vancouveriww.org/mean-by-abolition-wage-system/
The fight for $15 movement started 13 years ago. $15 in 2012 money is equal to over $20 in 2025 money. It’s taking the most progressive senator we’ve got to even suggest a pittance that is below what we’ve been asking for for over a decade.
And it is $17 in 2030.
Here from Europe, let me recommend one thing we do well: we link our equivalent of social security to the average wage growth, not to inflation.
This ensures that all voters benefit from wage growth. And thus all voters demand the same thing from the politicians.
we can’t even get it to 15, what do you think are chances of doing that are lol
Makes too much sense.
Sensible policies are Unamerican, judging by what has been passed by Congress in the last 20 years.
The problem with that happening in the US is there has been no wage growth, only retraction. Between inflation and wage inequality our purchasing power is nearly half what it was 25 years ago.
That’s the point. Your problem is that a lot of voters aren’t affected by wage growth. So politicians don’t feel the pressure to enact wage growth.
All those senior people will actually vote for the guy who keeps wage growth in check.
NO!! Not a number! Tie it to inflation, as a proportion!! Picking a specific number is what got us in this mess in the first place
If you look at the timeline in the article, post-2030 the act states that it would be indexed.
That would have made a much better headline
I’m sadly starting to think Bernie is a Neoliberal in disguise
Ah, the Left. Always eating itself.
everyone is a neoliberal except me
He’s going to tell us to vote for another Neoliberal after drumming up all this support.
Watch.
And if he does? Preferring a neoliberal to a fascist does not make one a neoliberal, especially if a neoliberal has a better shot at preventing a fascist from gaining office than a leftist. Bernie is a social democrat and a pragmatist, and if that’s not left enough for you than say that, but don’t get your ideologies confused.
Everyone has already forgotten what happened when the DNC used Bernie to try to bait and switch his voters for Hilary. We might be cooked if everyone has already forgotten this strategy doesn’t work.
The DNC Neoliberals also funded fringe right wing campaigns to give themselves easy competition, and instead lost to them. Making them partially responsible for Trump ever gaining power, they paved the road every step of the way through fucking insane excuses that limp fuck neolibs just keep lapping up like dogs.
I personally can’t ever vote for another Republican or Democrat again, MAYBE if an actual leftist is the democratic canidate. But IMO the only way to free ourselves is to end the Duopoly forever, there’s no baby in that bathwater.
without looking it up what is neoliberalism and how is it different from social democracy or, indeed, liberalism?
Neoliberals are people pretending to be leftists that suck rich cock instead of representing the majority of their electorate.
And that neo-liberal will be the only option that has a snowball’s chance to beat Republicans.
Sanders isn’t so starry-eyed as to undermine better in the pursuit of perfect.
He’s been doing this a LOT longer than you.
Just like the time that worked in 2016 right?
We’re cooked lol
Benefits 340 million Americans* FTFY
A rising tide lifts all ships.
Correct. Before people say “it should be $25/hr,” federal minimum wage is only matched by the poorest of states. State minimum wage increases would be warranted and implemented in states with a higher cost of living following the federal wage hike.
“But muh McDonald’s prices!”
They’re already $10 a meal my dude, and Amazon is Amazon no matter where you live
10$? Where I live a fucking Quarter Pounder meal is near 17$. Shits insane.
I moved from upstate NY to eastern PA in 2020. The average fast food worker was making 50% more in upstate NY. Most prices were the same, if not within 10 cents at worst.
Given there’s lots of states still sitting at $7.25, $17 is certainly a step in the right direction. But it should be $25/hr and people should be pushing the idea that $17 is too small, but still better than nothing. $17/hr is already the compromise and treating it like it isn’t doesn’t benefit it. But its also not helpful to be defeatist about it not being enough.
Given there’s lots of states still sitting at $7.25, $17 is certainly a step in the right direction.
Yeah, but centrists like having a permanent underclass to exploit.
$17/hr is $35,360/yr. The median income in Arkansas, the state with the lowest cost of living, is currently $36,761.
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/arkansas
It’s not a compromise. Federal minimum wage should be enough to live on in the poorest state. More than that would create private business deserts in poor areas, forcing the locals to exclusively patronize corporations. More of the population would need social program assistance to help pay for the increased cost of our domestic food supply.
Yay, my state was mentioned.
Did you hear our Gov. Sanders (no relation) wants to allow child labor at below minimum wage, and increase the number of positions that can pay minimum-tipped-wages of $2.13/hr ?
Federal minimum wage should indeed increased. But, I have heard people recently complaining that McDonalds workers shouldn’t be receiving a living wage, because they worked at McDonalds 5 decades ago. I keep my mouth shut and yearn to move away when my familial duties are complete (or my will is exhausted).
I’m not surprised. DeSantis is trying the same thing in Florida, to offset the lost farm workforce due to mass deportations. We’re basically cattle to these people.
The McDonald’s argument is old and outdated. Back when a family could comfortably afford necessities and some luxuries, those were seen as after-school jobs. It’s a very different world now. Any full time position should be able to afford someone all necessities. If not, it’s the very definition of exploitation.
Any full time position should be able to afford someone all necessities. If not, it’s the very definition of exploitation.
So Say We All
I got into a lot of debates as to how. Raising the federal minimum wage alone isn’t enough. Our nation’s cost of living varies far too widely for that to work without destroying small businesses. We need systemic reform with more smart subsidies and democratic socialism to keep necessities low. Possibly even regulatory pricing. Inequality will only worsen with AI replacement.
So it’s already barely enough now so we shouldn’t want it higher in the future?
It’s not barely enough. It’s the median income.
It’s the same picture.
Alabama is a developing country.
It’s barely enough in the poorest state, how is that acceptable to you?
Just to show how bad it is, in today’s money if it’s a family 17 just 2 dollars over poverty wage of 15.
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-minimum-wage-is-a-poverty-wage/
It’s barely enough in the poorest state, how is that acceptable to you?
Because they’re not in rich states, so their lives have no value.
Because I understand economics, and it’s not the right tool for the job.
If you raise the federal minimum wage too high for the poorest states, private businesses will not be able to employ workers. Raising wages directly increases the cost of goods, driving consumers to corporate chains, shuttering local businesses whose employees end up working for minimum wage for the corporations. That’s how you end up with an entire state on welfare and SNAP benefits while working, just to make ends meet.
What you want is a livable wage everywhere, which I am all for. That cannot happen by increasing the federal minimum wage. Smart subsidization and mixed-economics (Democratic Socialism) has proven to be the most effective way to achieve that goal. Look into Nordic mixed-economies for reference.
US dollar is valueless pay us in euros.
If you really believe the USD is valueless, give me all your USD.
No
Yeah, that’s what I thought…
What Bernie 17 by 2030? Is fucking for real? Needs 25 an hour NOW! Might well tell people to keep straving. I should kmow make 24 an hour wife makes 16 and we still live paycheck to paycheck. With no car payments just house. Shit so fucking expensive. And its only going get worse. Why not 17 an hour now and 25 by 2030?
“Fight for 15” started in 2012…
50/hr or gtfo
If it sounds crazy it’s because you’re been conditioned to believe that some jobs aren’t worth a living wage.
It’s crazy.
That means capitalism believes that people who work those jobs don’t deserve to live.
It’s a class war and they are killing us.
No my fucking problem is we started this fight in 2012 for $15 an hour. Now what 2025 and its 17 by 2030? Its fucking joke and sad that it won’t even pass. We need to be shutting this country down until our demands are met. This bill lile all the others won’t even pass the Senate.
50/hr
Cut CEO pay
Or heads.
Dealers choice.
Knowing that my state has the highest minimum wage in the country, and it still isn’t enough to live off of in this state, I think that the minimum needs to be almost twice that. At least in California. Or the federal minimum needs to be based on what shit actually costs regionally, and not just a single number for all 50 states.
No single wage is going to be adequate to cover a country as large and as diverse as the United States. The federal minimum wage is not meant to be a solution for every state, but more like a way to set an absolute bare minimum. States, and even cities, can set minimum wages higher than the federal one.
If your state’s minimum wage isn’t 7.25/hr with 2.13/hr tipped, don’t act like others should settle for less when you don’t have to.
Or the federal minimum needs to be based on what shit actually costs regionally, and not just a single number for all 50 states.
“Got mine, fuck you.”
That’s why states set their own minimum wage above the federal minimum wage.
Unless they’re the flyover states whose residents you want to keep poor.
You don’t get it. I’ve never made six figures in my life. That’s NY poor. We pay more to live here. A dozen eggs is $12.99 here right now. A studio apartment is $1800/mo. Things cost more in wealthier states, so the poverty line is higher, hence the higher state minimum wage.
And therefore an hour of my life is worth less than an hour of yours.
Permanent underclass of flyover morlocks.
Still not getting it. Money is fictional. How many cartons of eggs per hour do you make? How many days do you need to work to pay rent? God you’re a dense one.
Let’s put this in a way you’ll refuse to understand because it contradicts the semester of econ you had with someone who was obviously a chicago school weenie.
Workers deserve a minimum level of protection no matter where they work. And I don’t trust anyone who sees a statement like that and starts carving out exceptions before anything is accomplished.
Democrats:
“Yeah we could have helped the people who voted us in, but fuck that, I love Republican policies, they make my bank account look so much nicer when the lobbyists pay us both.”
I assume that’s her personal mantra. Fucking backstabber.
This remains democrats’ last word on the minimum wage.
best we can do is $8 an hour
“$8 an hour? Think of the profits lost! It’ll raise the cost of rent and groceries!”
They only mention livable wages when they are not in a position to do anything about it.
We need $25 now, not $17 in 5 years. Bernie has become a fucking joke and a shadow of who he used to be
Or how about just no wages? Kick out the capitalists stealing the profits and divide that amongst the workers.
Abolish the wage system.
he’s sponsored the raise the wage act in the last five meetings of congress
They only mention livable wages when they are not in a position to do anything about it.
In fairness, this was just as unlikely to pass under democrats.
Amazing how every time they’re powerless they wanna raise the minimum wage (to what we asked in 2012), legalize weed, codify Roe v. Wade, and this time stop Trump.
If they get a hold of Congress who much do you think they’ll go for it? Assuming we have elections again.
